The PC Industry Is Thriving

Repeatedly, I read on the web that the PC-industry has been hurt by tablets. e.g.

  • Computerworld: “It hasn’t helped that Acer is so reliant on sales to consumers, said IDC analyst Bryan Ma. The entire PC industry has been hurt by tablets, but Dell and Hewlett-Packard have at least managed to find cover selling PCs to businesses, which are still buying them. And Lenovo has capitalized on its position in China, now the world’s largest PC market.”
  • IDC: “Surging Popularity of Smartphones and Tablets Hurting PC Sales Across the Middle East, Africa, and Turkey “
  • Gartner: “PC Market in Western Europe Declined 12.8 Percent in Third Quarter of 2013″

This is a warped view of reality, sales of PCs are surging globally.

PC 2012 2013
desktop 148 134
notebook 201 181
tablet 145 227
smartphone 930 1000
totals 1424 1542
growth 8.29%

Tablets and smartphones are PCs! The real problem, for some companies, is that they have been producing what Wintel wanted and not what consumers wanted, small cheap computers. Naturally, if you’re trying to sell these people big expensive computers, they won’t be buying. The market for personal computers is thriving, according Statista. Look at shipments per annum (millions):
PC_Shipments_2012-2013

The numbers speak for themselves. All any business making PCs needs to do to thrive is produce what the market demands instead of catering to M$ and Intel. No OEM would think of depending on a single source of parts. Neither should they think of depending on M$ for an OS. They need to diversify or specialize and shrink… What M$ used to supply these guys the whole world can deliver as FLOSS for a lot lower price: Android/Linux or GNU/Linux or Tizen/Linux. Pick any or all and move on. Quit griping that the Wintel treadmill is mired in muck.

About Robert Pogson

I am a retired teacher in Canada. I taught in the subject areas where I have worked for almost forty years: maths, physics, chemistry and computers. I love hunting, fishing, picking berries and mushrooms, too.
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35 Responses to The PC Industry Is Thriving

  1. ram says:

    Alot of those so called “gamers machines” were not being used by gamers but by people using them as cheap workstations and servers. Now with UEFI those boards and machines are no longer selling.

    The present approach is to use a server board and plug in a few array processing cards such as NVidia CUDA boards, or similar products from AMD and Intel. This is all done on Linux, of course.

  2. oiaohm says:

    Yonah over the last 15 years behaviour of PC gamers have changed. PC gamers are more updating video cards than complete machines.

    So longer and longer complete upgrade cycles. Direct X feature improvements have not be critical to games.

    Yonah basically the behaviour you are doing does not match the behaviour gamers were doing 15+ years ago.

    Result of the change is gamers are buying less machines.

  3. Yonah wrote, “Dougman’s claim of Windows 8 uptake dying to be without merit.”

    StatCounter WordWide:

    July 6.61%
    August 7.04%
    September 7.46%
    October 7.68%
    November 7.66%

    8.1
    July 0.02
    August 0.02
    September 0.03
    October 0.31
    November 0.84
    Oops! No growth = death in IT.
    It could be that 8.1 is taking up the slack but it’s still very low rate of growth for that other OS which normally does increase ~1% per month. “8”+”8.1″ is just growing 0.5% per month. After all that’s all you can find on retail shelves… ;-)

  4. Yonah says:

    Like any data source, Steam’s Hardware survey isn’t representative of the full picture, even among Steam’s users, but I stand by the assertion that Dougman’s claim of Windows 8 uptake dying to be without merit. Or perhaps he needs to clarify in which area (Desktops, Laptops, Tables, Phones) Windows 8 is dying.

    Upgrading your hardware and buying an entirely new machine aren’t one in the same. I’m still using the same computer I bought 3 years ago, but I did buy 2 video cards since then. It’s likely most gamers are like me, upgrading video cards and other components rather than buying new machines outright. Even fewer would buy Windows 8 to install on a current machine as I did.

  5. bw rants about education as a business, “No it is not. Far from it. Education is a service that consumes tax dollars and generates no revenues.”

    Strange. Schools in which I worked raised revenues of many $millions per annum. Even the tiny ones in the bush had $million budgets. Not all the money came from taxes. Most schools have fund-raising affairs and donors large and small. Many schools raise funds other than taxes of ~15% of revenue.

    bw’s definition of business is far too narrow:
    “2. Any particular occupation or employment engaged in for livelihood or gain, as agriculture, trade, art, or a profession. “The business of instruction.” –Prescott. [1913 Webster]“

    One might argue that many schools are “not-for-profit” organizations but most of them involve professionals like me earning a living. They are like associations of contractors or umbrella-groups but they are still businesses. Most schools are acutely aware of the cost of one student-year of education and constantly seek optimization. It is a commodity they all produce. A corporate business operates the same way. The shareholders own the corporation and are paid by capital gains and a share of the profits. The shareholders of education publicly funded are the citizens. They are paid by future business/economic growth spurred by an educated populace. It is a worthwhile investment and society is better off with public education rather than hit or miss private education where a major portion of society would be uneducated.

  6. Yonah wrote, “October Windows 8 64-bit stood at 15.08% (+0.08% increase)”

    Gamers are notorious for constantly upgrading hardware. Many are not into installing operating systems so “8” came along for the ride. Is “7” available on the latest and greatest hardware? This number just means that gamers upgrade hardware about 50% sooner than others. OEMs are beginning to ship game-worthy PCs with GNU/Linux so this will change but not quickly as gamers may retain an older game to play on newer hardware. “8” rate of growth is paltry, 0.08/15. “8.1” is much higher rate of growth probably due to upgrades. “7” grew almost nothing since the last survey. The question to be asked is why the share of both “8”s is only about 17% when gamers are such suckers. Why isn’t it 80% if gamers are such pushovers? Meanwhile, the various Ubuntus are growing about 30% per month.

  7. dougman says:

    Education IS a business and with Linux and ChromeOS, schools can save a butt-load of money

    The future of Education is also open: http://opensource.com/education/13/10/open-business-model-free-education

  8. dougman says:

    Yonah, trying to state that 5-6M users represent the world and is proof that Windows 8 is growing, your view of things is delusional at best.

  9. Yonah says:

    Dougman, Windows 8 uptake dying? According to the Steam Hardware Survey ( http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey ) , it isn’t. In the month of October Windows 8 64-bit stood at 15.08% (+0.08% increase) and 8.1 at 1.94%
    (+1.25% increase). If it were dying there should be a decrease.

  10. bw says:

    Education is a business.

    No it is not. Far from it. Education is a service that consumes tax dollars and generates no revenues. All your complaining about the austerity of the places you worked that forced everyone to accept the apparent economies of using Linux in lieu of Windows or Mac should have made you aware of that.

    An educational operation only has to live within its funding and keep the voters happy or at least not mad enough to kick out the elected administrators. If the native kids don’t learn the same skills and get the same experiences as the city kids, no one will ever find out unless they migrate to the city and their shortcomings become evident to companies that might otherwise want to hire them for some office skill dependent job.

    The same is true for government organizations. If they can save some money buying Linux, they can pay themselves higher salaries without raising the ire of the taxpayer. Everyone expects the government’s response to handling problems to suck, so there is no downside. Healthcare.gov runs on Linux.

  11. rev tim lovejoy wrote, “weve reached a point in computing power where speed and power improvements dont make much of a difference anymore”.

    Some say that happened more than a decade ago but M$’s bloat took another decade to overcome.

    Kempin to Bill Gates in 1997:
    “current PC technology is totally sufficient for most office tasks and consumer desires and that any performance bottleneck is not in today’s PCs but in today’s COM pipes. This in itself might slow down replacement cycles and life time shortening until we find true MIPS eating applications- a priority not only INTEL should subscribe to.”

    What’s changed is that this time around the platform in command is FLOSS, not megacorp M$. M$ figured out a way to artificially inflate the cost of IT to enrich itself and its partners at the world’s expense rather than delivering great IT at a reasonable price by excluding competition. Google and Samsung, on the other hand, embrace competition and consumers love what’s happening.

  12. bw wrote, “Are you so sure that working in native schools out in the boonies has given you much of an insight into “business”?”

    1. Education is a business. There are operating budgets, capital budgets, employees and customers.

    2. I can read what those involved in other businesses are doing about IT: IBM, Google, European governments, small businesses, etc. They report that a lot of new systems are based on GNU/Linux.

  13. dougman says:

    The PC market, sans M$ is thriving. Lets make that distinction; however Windows 8 uptake is dying.

    http://www.zdnet.com/native-windows-8-apps-remain-unpopular-with-developers-7000022994/

    Remember M$ is there to make money, not make your life easier.

  14. ram says:

    What people don’t want is Microsoft and systems locked down to Microsoft via UEFI. Most importantly, software developers don’t want it so there are far far more developers and apps for Linux and Linux/Android.

  15. bw says:

    I have been asked on numerous occasions what would be my recommendation to avoid that mess.

    You? lol

  16. bw says:

    business is…business sees…business will be…Business hates “8″…

    Are you so sure that working in native schools out in the boonies has given you much of an insight into “business”? I wouldn’t even think that it could give you much of an insight into main-stream education systems. When you start with the sort of attitude you have about software and Microsoft, I don’t think that you are ever going to see things in an undistorted way.

  17. rev tim lovejoy says:

    From Wikipedia:
    “A personal computer (PC) is a general-purpose computer, whose size, capabilities, and original sale price makes it useful for individuals, and which is intended to be operated directly by an end-user with no intervening computer operator.”

    my dad has a KDE desktop computer that is 10yrs old and my mom has her “Andy” tablet, her first personal computer, where she checks her paper and weather channel, where she chats and video chats with her sisters in europe, watches TV, listens to oldies on youtube, searches for recipes, uses as TV remote and alarm and watches an SD cards worth of pictures and movies and songs. she has finally gotten an email.
    If this isnt a personal computer, i dont know what is.

    my fathers use of Linux desktop these past 8-9yrs, is the same that my mother has since she got the tablet a few months go.

    weve reached a point in computing power where speed and power improvements dont make much of a difference anymore, where the average smartphone packs more computing power than your big tower with liquid coold this and that did a few years ago.
    my father saw the prices (130-260$) of the 7′ tablets we were looking at (the must have options was external storage like sd or usb and an hdmi one a luxury) and commented, thats the price ive paid for a video card a couple of times.
    throw in the Pi he wants to buy his grandkids (he says “Damn thing is cheaper than a cellphone cover!” and weve reached a point where low price and faster computing offer a great experience for the majority of users.
    So yes, personal computing is booming, its only its form and its lowest price (remember what you paid in the 286-486 era?) points that ave changed.
    Years ago personal computing was a tower, then laptops became affordable, now tablets and chromebooks have caught on with portability and price.

  18. dougman wrote, “once those options are removed, there is little reason to retain dedicated IT staff on payroll”.

    I think that’s why the trolls here seem to be quite competent operators of that other OS… ;-)

    dougman also wrote, “Windows 7 still makes up 99% of enterprise sales”.

    I don’t think it’s that high but it certainly is way above 50%. It will be interesting to see whether M$ forks it’s OS or 8 dies the death of Zune, and a bunch of other bad ideas from M$. “7” at least seemed technically superior to XP although copying a lot of XP’s bugs… “8” is a whole new kettle of fish. It could well be that M$ will become a business-only supplier and there will be no need for “8” or “8”+x within a few years. “8” has been out for a year and only has 8% of installed base according to page-views. That’s what, 50% attach-rate? How many customers has M$ lost forever because of it? Business certainly is not wanting to take another step on the Wintel treadmill every year. Some businesses take two years to take one step. They would just fall off on their butts. Is M$ going to support 10 operating systems??? They have a hard time with 3 or 4. Business likes an OS that sticks around and is debugged by the time they install it.

  19. d. wrote, “PC means either a desktop or laptop computer…A computer cannot be “general purpose” if the hardware is artificially limited in what it can do”.

    Every computer has limitations. They are not artificial. They are limited by technology and price/performance. The smartphones and tablets of today are “general purpose” for folks who are not number-crunching locally. These things have plenty of CPU-power to show 1080P video and browse the web. That competes very well with any PC made in the last decade. There are many millions of people who only play a little streaming audio/video and browse the web. For them, that’s general. These things can run GNU/Linux reasonably well. After all, Android/Linux uses the same kernel. That M$ cannot make an OS that runs well on them is M$’s problem, not ours. M$ doesn’t get to tell me what a PC is or is not. There are hundreds of millions of people who quite enjoy what tablets and smartphones will do for them. There are many millions who do not own a legacy PC at all and use their smartphone for just about everything. That’s why OEM sales of legacy PCs were down 22% in M$’s last quarterly report. A legacy PC is not “general purpose” for people who love being always connected and mobile or who live in cramped quarters or who use their smartphone to tell them where they are. The next billions PC-users could well be satisfied with smartphones or tablets. In fact tablets are less portable…

    Crazy OEMs are planning to ship hex-core smartphones in the coming year. That’s not so people can phone home. That’s so more people can do even more with this new personal computer. The hair-drier in a box that has empty PCI and DIMM slots no one needed are too big, too costly and uncompetitive against these new PCs. Moore’s Law has allowed legacy PCs to become smaller and more mobile. That’s why notebooks took big share from desktops but they are not enough for the newest generation to acquire personal IT.

  20. d. says:

    Tablets and smartphones are PCs… yes, in a very pedantic, overly-literal sense of the word. Tablets and smartphones are indeed “personal computers” in the sense that they are used in person, and they contain CPUs which allow you to perform computing tasks on them.

    HOWEVER. If you consider the colloquial meaning of “PC”, ie. what most people understand the word “PC” to mean (apart from “politically correct”), PC means either a desktop or laptop computer. It’s disingenuos to attempt to extend the definition to smartphones and tablets. I hate to agree with the wintrolls, but in this case they have a point.

    I understand the word PC to mean pretty much the same as a “general purpose computer”. A computer cannot be “general purpose” if the hardware is artificially limited in what it can do, apart from the hardware capabilities themselves. For instance, you should be able to run whatever OS, whatever software, you want on the computer for it to be considered a general purpose computer. This is not the case for most tablets and smartphones, even ones running Android.

    It’s all fine to be enthusiastic of the fact that the most popular mobile OS used on tablets and smartphones is based on an open source kernel, but you also have to look at the realities: most tablets and smartphones are not open platforms in any sense of the word.

    For instance: GPUs require proprietary drivers that mostly only support Android, won’t work on glibc-based Linux-distros without a compatibility layer, some of the drivers are even not available to consumers at all – you don’t even get free downloads of the drivers so as to use them in your own custom OS. Firmware is proprietary and contains backdoors, even in Android the phone firmware is riddled with backdoors that allow the phone to be converted into a spying device at any time, and all you can do to avoid that is… disable the firmware entirely and not use your phone as a phone (or rip out the microphone, to the same effect). There is no open alternative for mobile telephony firmware.

    Oh and that’s not all… Android, the currently most popular mobile OS, is slowly being converted into a proprietary OS by google. Google has been changing the original open source apps in Android into proprietary ones, to make it harder for anyone to utilize Android without licensing it from Google. Not everyone can reimplement the entire userland app collection of Android, like Samsung is doing.

    So until the situation improves on the mobile side, until we get some truly open platforms – or even platforms with the same level of openness as x86 hardware – I wouldn’t be too enthusiastic in rooting for them to overtake the world. Not that it’s going to happen anyway, as desktops and laptops are not going anywhere anytime soon.

    Anyway, we can at least all hope that Intel brings their Tizen-based ultrabooks on the market soon. That should spice up the x86-based markets considerably.

  21. dougman says:

    Yes, businesses do indeed despise Windows 8. I have been asked on numerous occasions what would be my recommendation to avoid that mess.

    Typically it boils down to a few options:

    1. Stick with Windows XP
    2. Stick with Windows 7
    3. Migrate to Google Business Apps and ChromeOS.
    4. Migrate to Linux

    So long as I can keep their IT idiot out of the meeting, I have no problem keeping options 1 and 2 off the table. See the things is, once those options are removed, there is little reason to retain dedicated IT staff on payroll, as the systems run smoothly, although it would be best to train 1-3 person on the staff as a “IT Champion” for simple issues.

    As of now, 74% of organizations have no plans to deploy Windows 8 and Windows 7 still makes up 99% of enterprise sales.

  22. bw wrote, “Microsoft has been around for 38 years. How long do you give them?”

    There’s no way anything like monopoly will survive in the client OS for even a few years. Their servery business could go on a few years after that assuming folks keep systems ~5 years. The office suite will have to diversify to remain relevant. M$ may not go away but it will never be the evil master of IT ever again. Their last stronghold seems to be business, but business is making new systems on GNU/Linux and business sees security/cost as high on the list of motivators. There’s no way a backwards-compatible OS from M$ can be as secure as GNU/Linux because M$ copies the vulnerabilities of which there are way too many. When M$ completely burns bridges business will be motivated to migrate away. We are already seeing that with the decline of XP. “7” is not rising nearly as rapidly as XP is declining. Business hates “8”…

    According to StatCounter, M$ has lost 2% share of page-views, starting at 87% in Dec. 2012 to 85% in Nov. 2013. That’s on top of a huge installed base. XP lost 6 percentage points and “7” lost 1 point. The “8” stuff is not going into businesses… For declines that large with hundreds of millions of legacy PCs going to market each year, M$’s share must be very low on shipping units.

    Some maths: Assume 2000 million client PCs. A 1% decline is 20 million client PCs. 2% is 40 million client PCs. Two or three years ago, the decline was ~1% per annum. The rate of decline has doubled in a couple of years. Within five years, M$ will be just another player without an especially large share because units are constantly being retired from the installed base and not replaced with M$’s OS. The world is adding hundreds of millions of clients each year and most of them do not have M$’s OS. Even in the legacy PC business, M$ doesn’t have more than 80% share today. 6% are going MacOS. 9% are going Ubuntu GNU/Linux, and 5% are going other */Linux operating systems, like Android/Linux, other GNU/Linux, ChromeOS/Linux, and Meego/Tizen.

    There will be an inevitable decline in client OS share and that decline will likely accelerate.

  23. YesMan wrote, “Microsoft is in many ways on their way to being a has been already, as their near non-existence in new technology markets prove.”

    Exactly. Combined with declining share in their old market, the client OS, the only certainty is that M$ will be some shadow of its former self. Using the 1/N theory, that random things sort themselves out more or less equally, one could expect that Apple, M$, Google, and GNU/Linux will end up with 25% shares. Apple gets the super-rich/foolish/deluded, M$ gets a big part of business, Google gets the young and restless, and GNU/Linux gets what’s left, a bit in every market. It might be that UNIX OS stabilize so that the shares are 20%, 1/5. There’s no way M$ can ever get 95% share again. The world won’t make that mistake again.

  24. oiaohm wrote, ” they will most likely not be the Microsoft you have got to know.”

    That is an understatement and it is not about the future but the present. Today, M$ is not like the old M$.

    • *They can’t dictate to OEMs or they will lose share even more rapidly.
    • *The dabbling in client-hardware is an attempt to survive being cast off by legacy-PC-OEMs and ignored by Android-loving OEMs.
    • *The revenue from client OS via OEMs is falling rapidly. That never used to happen in the previous two decades.
    • *M$ is investing in competing technology rather than trying to extinguish it because M$’s customers are insisting on it or they will desert M$.
    • *M$ is changing just to delay their fall, not to increase their grip on the world’s IT. That never used to happen. M$ was a mover and shaker.
  25. oiaohm says:

    bw the rome question is like when is Unix going to fall.

    Ok Unix’s have the advantage that the hardware they are running on has unique features. Like memory managers unit supporting Pointer/Object with Offset Memory allocation. This is not found in x86 and Arm memory managers units as of yet. This is hardware level buffer overflow prevention.

    So Unix has fallen from dominance. Linux has taken dominance. Unix is still a multi billion dollar industry per year. So Microsoft might not die ever. But they will most likely not be the Microsoft you have got to know.

    bw most of your arguments if you go and read the Unix people comments in 1992-1993 about Linux. You will find they are very close. Unix back then thought it was unbeatable.

    We are not to the point of Major Linux Desktop Push yet. Death of X11 is required.

    We are seeing the effects of Munich and other big Linux Desktop deployments. More development focus on the Linux Desktop.

    Robert Pogson IDC and Gartner are revenue. Statista is units.

    I have been asking for Unit numbers for a long time. I have been suspect. Microsoft in there own finical has been quoting the PC industry as declining.

    When you use the IDC numbers with Statista numbers you get something interesting. The price per PC unit is declining as well size reduction.

    OEM like HP and others depend on ODM’s in China. In the android market the ODM’s can directly take on the OEM. So bite the hand that is feeding them because they can sell straight to customer. There is not the profit for OEM in the tablet and phone market with Android or any other FOSS operating system as a major force.

    ODM’s in china traditionally could not buy volume OEM licenses from Microsoft. USA export limitations part of reason.

    OEM like Acer HP Dell…. Have not been on a level playing field with ODM’s for a long while.

    HTC off course this would not cross your mind was HP ODM for making Windows Phone devices. That is the thing we are seeing many what appear to be new brands to customers that are the prior ODM’s that use to make phones for the OEM’s that make PC’s.

    Think about it Microsoft has started in recent years doing licensing with ODM’s. Of course only patent licensing for Android. But at some point they will be force to OEM license the ODM’s.

  26. YesMan says:

    If you have no skin in the game, why are you on a Linux blog posting criticial comments?

  27. YesMan says:

    I don’t know for sure, but the technology industry is riddled with has-beens who where huge in their time. Microsoft is in many ways on their way to being a has been already, as their near non-existence in new technology markets prove. I don’t know how long their last with their “enteprise”/BigPC sales, but I wouldn’t bet them myself, and looks like investors generally aren’t either (their stock price doesn’t reflect their profitability very well)!

  28. bw says:

    Microsoft is pretty secure in the bank right now, but technology moves fast and Microsoft is no Rome (and even Rome fell!).

    Indeed it did, but it took a while and it was great while it lasted. From the start of the Roman Republic to the end of the Roman Empire was almost a thousand years. Microsoft has been around for 38 years. How long do you give them?

    I personally think your theories of business and infections of technology are so much baloney. Do you have any skin in the game anywhere? I don’t have any anymore myself, so the whole thing is pretty academic for me, but I was just trying to help you out.

    If Microsoft went away tomorrow completely, Gates and Allen and even Ballmer would still have their billions and so would the thousands of current and ex employees who are fixed for life due to their good fortune in having worked there.

    But they will not go away tomorrow or this year or next. My bet is that we will all be gone and they will still be on top of the BigPC heap.

  29. bw wrote, “Microsoft remains mostly in the software business of supplying BigPC client and workstation OS along with substantial commercial sales of office automation, server OS, server applications, and SQL database software.”

    A lot of that is tied to the old desktop monopoly which is fading. There is currently growth in these tag-along sectors but a lot of new setups like thin clients and virtualization and cloud are using GNU/Linux. M$ is getting only a fraction of the new business, not anything like the ~95% it had in desktop clients. In these other areas there is real competition, something M$ doesn’t do well. GNU/Linux has been known in business-sectors for a decade now and is accepted for the majority of new projects. That means M$ faces a shrinking share of the pie. The pie may grow and carry M$ for a bit but the long term is not looking good for them. The bean-counters will sort it out. A decade ago there were lots of IT-guys who knew little or nothing of FLOSS. That’s changed in a big way with lots of newbies brim full of FLOSS. They will soon be making budgeting decisions that will affect M$’s share.

    RedHat for sure, has a bead on M$’s business and is making steady progress. Red Hat has higher rate of growth of revenue and higher profit margin. Many businesses are also taking advantage of FLOSS to provide in-house support rather than paying outsiders. FLOSS is just more efficient.

  30. YesMan says:

    Microsoft is pretty secure in the bank right now, but technology moves fast and Microsoft is no Rome (and even Rome fell!).

    The concern is that FOSS initiates harmful feedback loops in business models like Microsofts’. As it eats into a company’s profit, that company has less money to improve it’s product in relation. Which then makes it’s product less competitive with FOSS and on and on. If my competitor is another proprietary product I can snuff it out by out-competing it over the course of some years. It can go bankrupt! But FOSS is undead, it can’t be killed or “made bankrupt”. Even if I can overcome it today, it doesn’t mean it won’t come back tomorrow, sometimes in different forms and in areas I didn’t even expect! (see: smartphones and tablets).

    Perhaps like a cancer maybe? Ballmer himself once said that Linux behaves much like cancer! But he was wrong. Cancer can be overcome, cancer can be killed, and if you manage to kill EVERY SINGLE cancer cell, you eliminate the cancer! But you can only put Linux into temporary remission, there is no way to kill it. You make one mistake and it goes metastatic pretty ****ing quickly!

    I don’t envy ANYONE who bets against Linux or FOSS in the future of the technology industry, that’s for sure! Once your business sector gets “infected” with FOSS, you might as well start digging your grave..

  31. YesMan says:

    The remain in the BigPC market not by choice brotha man. If they didn’t want a piece of that tablet and smartphone pie, they wouldn’t be investing so much into it.

    Linux is unlike any other compeition they’ve ever had. It can’t be snuffed out. It just keeps coming back and pissing in Microsoft’s cornflakes.

  32. bw says:

    Problem is, tablets and smartphones seem to be cannibalizing notebook and desktop sales

    That is a problem for some notebook and desktop manufacturers although Apple, at least, has taken advantage of the phenomenon to greatly increase their business by supplying the portable devices. Microsoft has not been anywhere near as successful at that as Apple has been. They continue to try, however, with the purchase of Nokia and the introduction of their own tablets. Also, there are a number of others selling MS Phones and RT or Win8 tablets. They are not so bummed out by these results as to abandon the field.

    Microsoft remains mostly in the software business of supplying BigPC client and workstation OS along with substantial commercial sales of office automation, server OS, server applications, and SQL database software. They are profiting more than two billion dollars a month from those segments which pays for some continuing losses as they develop other segments and they are not likely to ever walk away from that.

    You can cheer about their profits not being 2.5B per month, but you sound a little lame.

  33. YesMan says:

    Smartphones = Majority Linux
    Tablets = Majority Linux
    Notebooks = Majority Windows
    Desktops = Majority Windows

    Problem is, tablets and smartphones seem to be cannabalizing notebook and desktop sales!

  34. bw wrote, ” We can then measure the economic viability of this segment of the PC market and limit discussions to what is pertinent to this niche.”

    This is my blog and I will do the limiting. A PC is a personal computer. Live with it or start your own blog. The whole idea of monopoly is limiting. That’s a bizarre outlook on processes in the market place. bw and others are limited by their own imaginations. Folks who use FLOSS on any and all forms of computer are limited by their imaginations, too, but diversity and openness turn dreams into reality, not nightmares.

  35. bw says:

    Tablets and smartphones are PCs!

    And that catalog check-off you cited was an advertisement, too. You are entitled to your own set of definitions of things, I guess, but when you draw conclusions from them that run counter to those of the rest of the world, you have to understand that your conclusions only apply to your own world and it is rather sparsely populated. You and the dougster!

    If/when you want to join the rest of the world, let us know.

    Meanwhile we will just have to define some new terms when trying to communicate with you. Henceforth the term BigPC will be used to categorize, say, a Dell laptop that comes with Windows 8 pre-installed. Or a Mac with OS X. Or, if one can be found, an unbranded laptop in some alley shop in Malaysia that has Linux pre-installed. We can then measure the economic viability of this segment of the PC market and limit discussions to what is pertinent to this niche.

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