SJVN Gives M$ Free Advice – I am enjoying this.

“In less than three months Chromebook went from zero to at least 5% of all Acer’s US shipments. That’s incredible.”

see Microsoft needs to start worrying about Chromebooks | ZDNet.

No, it’s not incredible. What’s incredible is that the last such challenge to Wintel, the GNU/Linux netbook, was allowed to die by the same OEMs who are finally getting down to business instead of remaining slaves to M$.

Expect, by 2014, */Linux on anything will be perfectly routine on retail shelves. It’s about time. I guess it took the Wintel-only guys to see the Android/Linux guys having fun on ARM without any help from M$ to convince OEMs that they were grown-ups and could actually sell the hardware they make any way they want to distinguish themselves from competition or to meet consumers’ expectations on price. Retailers, step up.

About Robert Pogson

I am a retired teacher in Canada. I taught in the subject areas where I have worked for almost forty years: maths, physics, chemistry and computers. I love hunting, fishing, picking berries and mushrooms, too.
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19 Responses to SJVN Gives M$ Free Advice – I am enjoying this.

  1. ram says:

    oe wrote:

    “UEFI = ultimate thumb in the eye to the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act of 1975. Basically I refuse to buy anyhting with UEFI nowadways, UEFI is the ultimate anti-feature foisted on the OEM’s by Redmond.”

    I fully agree. It is curious how pre-UEFI and non-UEFI motherboards are now selling for a significant multiple more than UEFI crippled motherboards. It will take a very long time, if ever, for the motherboard manufacturers who went along with Microsoft to recover their business.

    The larger motherboard consumers (e.g. those who build Linux clusters for corporations) are unlikely to forget the actions of GigaByte, ASUS, and others who turned against Linux. We are also very likely to remember companies that supported us such as Intel who resorted to selling Linux compatible motherboards and boxes (from small NUC boxen through big rack servers) directly.

  2. MK wrote, “Why is it always next, by next, after next or before next with you guys?”

    All of my predictions have come true so far. It’s not magic. I can read the writing on the wall. When M$’s profit margin is falling you can bet their share is falling in a big way. Even M$ could see that ARM is big. That’s why they ported to it and that’s why they came up with “8”. They are tearing their own house apart to heat it. The only solid part of their empire left is business use of their OS and office suite and businesses are loving Chromebooks and thin clients.

    M$ has had little or no good news for years since the waves of malware ate XP. “7” is already declining in share and “8” is at ~2% according to M$’s partners.

  3. oe says:

    UEFI = ultimate thumb in the eye to the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act of 1975. Basically I refuse to buy anyhting with UEFI nowadways, UEFI is the ultimate anti-feature foisted on the OEM’s by Redmond. I wonder if the OEMs are going to regret kowtowing to Redmond when a lot of the more techical crowd buy the open platform of Chromebook. I recently recieved from my wife an older Andriod phone unit (specialized use right now) and have been impressed how easy Google makes it to root and deeply custumize the device; most unlike the Big Two OS vendors….

  4. ram says:

    It would be a marvelous thing if motherboard firmware was routinely open sourced. I know it would make my life easier building high performance Linux clusters. It would definitely make selling new hardware less difficult.

  5. oiaohm says:

    MK
    –Boy, I’ve heard that before. Why is it always next, by next, after next or before next with you guys?–

    Because its not. Remember shop inventory and ordering patterns to change take about 12 months.

    Its already common to see Linux in TV, Cars, Recording devices, tablets. Yes different forms but still Linux. Really the only odd one out is PC’s in most markets.

    Really I am not exactly expecting Linux to dominate by 2014. I am expecting one of the major road blocks to Linux to fade away. Costs are getting tight companies cannot keep on paying out a per unit price on BIOS firmware for motherboards. Particularly firmwares that are busted.

    All the hardware makers are dipping there toes with chromebooks. Please be-aware coreboot can do a full EFI stack to boot Windows 8 if enough firmware flash space is provided. Yes the load only Linux kernel images and check signing is a smaller coreboot image.

    Closed source firmware has helped to maintain MS position.

    Microsoft has always pushed the theory that open source was some kind of lose of control. Problem is hardware makers have believed it.

    This is the problem once you have open source firmware on the motherboard how far will it go. Hardware makers sell hardware. Paying for software is an expense. Paying the least able is there goal.

    Allowing end users to submit patches would reduce the workload of hardware makers programmers. Result profit. Sharing development costs with competitors in the hardware game also would increase profit.

    MK this next 12 months will tell us what path the hardware makers are on. If they are going the open source core. What chance do you think Windows will have long term.

  6. MK says:

    “Expect, by 2014, …”

    Boy, I’ve heard that before. Why is it always next, by next, after next or before next with you guys?

  7. oiaohm says:

    Der Balrog go read the blog of and see what is coming.

    Chromebooks are going to include the means to add other OS signing keys by default.

    Der Balrog and you don’t understand do you. Windows RT you don’t have an option at all to change the OS. So you buy a Windows RT device some information will be stored in the cloud no matter what you do.

    Microsoft makes what google is offering look nice.

    Yes Google has listerned to your complaints they are acting. This is why installing non Internet requiring OS’s on a Chromebook will be made simpler.

    UEFI with Windows 8 as a few people have found out due to defects they have bricked laptops and had stupid things like laptops that only want to run Windows and Redhat Linux nothing else because that is what the OEM set.

    Der Balrog Google always grants the means to replace the OS on all the stuff they provide. Google has admitted that Chromebooks landing in a security weak mode to run what ever OS you like is wrong and will be corrected. Now this will most likely apply to the Nexuz line.

    So Google is going to be one of the first that allow you as company directive on their hardware to use only the Signing keys you approve of.

    –People don’t buy Chromebooks because they want to replace ChromeOS.–
    Der Balrog funny go read some Ubuntu forums and Chromebook support forums. You do find a lot who are replacing the ChromeOS with something else. Yes there is an advantage to a fully offline OS.

    Der Balrog the reality you are on the path to screwed with this arguement. You will only be able to keep it up for another 18 months max before Google alterations come threw.

    Remember Linux people have been buying laptops with Windows on and formatting over of a long time. So are you telling me a chromebook is magically different.

    Really the only differences is the boot up lag and the lowered security from what Linux people like. These will be addressed by Google.

    By the way I am one of the people who formatted over the ChromeOS in a chromebook. So I am not the best person to ask if people will do this since I am one of the people who did. Cheep and does the job. Yes price tag was right for something that is going to get beaten up in a car.

    Linux people have never been one to stick to basic beliefs how hardware is meant to be used. Lot of laptops officially have no support from hardware maker yet run Linux because Linux personal have made it work.

    Der Balrog Google is not stupid. The more chromebooks they get out door the better they can claim ChromeOS works. So it suites Google perfectly to assist us who want to pave over. Every one we pave over still makes Google numbers look better.

    Der Balrog
    –And willing enslavement. With Microsoft, not long ago, you had no choice, because computers invariably came with Windows.–

    This is why you are an idiot this was not the enslavement. The enslavement was the fact the hardware would not work with any other OS perfectly other than Windows and hardware maker would not provide any documentation how they screwed up the bios or so on. So in the past you could not change the OS on the device and have the machine work perfectly.

    Chromebook devices on the other hard as much of the core code is open source as possible. Some of the hardware documentation that is critical is still missing ie how to unlock the firmware to put your own in. So an OS that wants to run on a chromebook has every bit of documentation they could want so they can operate perfectly.

    There is no reason if MS wanted to they could not release Windows for Chromebooks.

    Der Balrog Chromebooks highly suggest you will use them with the Google’s infrastructure. Does not Require it you do have the option of switching to developer mode on chromebooks and breaking free of Google infrastructure.

    Some of the older Windows hardware the only OS that will run on it and work is Windows. That is Requires.

    Surface RT you are required there is no option out. Yes login on a Surface RT is a online MS account.

    Reality Der Balrog put Surface RT and Chromebook side by side. Chromebook is the better choice if you want freedom.

    Put Windows 8 machine next to Chromebook you will find some of them the Chromebook has more freedom as well due to UEFI bugs preventing any OS other than Windows from working. Take note of things like your helpfiles from MS Office are now fully on-line. Nice when you lose Internet connection. Microsoft has bound you to a Internet connection to there cloud services.

    Der Balrog really look closer how you are tied up by Microsoft. Windows 8 and the new MS Office are in some ways worse than all the versions of Windows before. Yes Windows 8 pretends to be a stand alone install when its heavily cloud linked. At least ChromeOS on chromebooks is up front and truthful about your location.

  8. Der Balrog says:

    Google will be publishing sometime this year how to replace the boot firmware in all existing chromebooks.

    You again, oiaohm. It’s not about THAT. It’s about willingly acquiring a thing that is MEANT and REQUIRES to be used together with Google’s infrastructure. People don’t buy Chromebooks because they want to replace ChromeOS.

    It seems you haven’t understood that this is indeed enslavement. And willing enslavement. With Microsoft, not long ago, you had no choice, because computers invariably came with Windows. But you have that choice today, and you have a choice where you want to save your data online. If at all it is your wish to save your data online.

  9. lpbear wrote, “It turned out to be a bad printer cartridge which was easily fixed with a new cartridge. Other than that this non Linux related issue the customer has not had a single issue with their Linux system nor has it been “hard” for them to use.”

    Amen. It’s a GUI. If a system is configured with the stuff they need to get things done and the bug-count is tiny, what could go wrong? That’s the beauty of GNU/Linux and FLOSS. With fewer agendas/hidden motivations code is just better. With that other OS the guy could well be fighting re-re-reboots and malware.

  10. lpbbear says:

    A bit off topic but I wanted to mention a little tech support issue I helped a customer with recently. Almost a year ago, officially one year March 3rd, I converted a customers Windows system over to Linux. The customer is not a skilled computer user but based on the way they used their computer I figured they would be fine with Linux.
    So here it is almost a year later and what was their big tech support issue you might ask? It turned out to be a bad printer cartridge which was easily fixed with a new cartridge. Other than that this non Linux related issue the customer has not had a single issue with their Linux system nor has it been “hard” for them to use.

    So much for the “Linux is too hard for the average user” myth.

  11. ssorbom wrote, of GNU/Linux’s share, “I would consider GNU\Linux possesing a third or fourth of the competition on the desktop to be a fair bargain.”

    That will likely happen in 2014 at the rate things are going. What OEMs have needed is a way to switch over without having a huge drop in revenue. Now they have it, M$’s shrinking share. As fast as M$ drops, OEMs can ramp up even faster. Even x86 systems are becoming smaller and lighter. No one will miss M$ in the new order of things.

  12. Der Balrog wrote, “I’m beginning to ask myself if Mr. Pogson’s bosom buddies at Google are paying him for his glowing praise.”

    Nope. Google does pay per click for the ads but that’s not enough to pay for the server. This site is an act of kindness.

  13. oiaohm says:

    bw look at vista can take up to 12 months for a flop to show with how MS does its books.

  14. oiaohm says:

    bw
    –Every news commentator seems to have a silver cased notebook with an Apple logo showing on his/her desk these days.–

    Its called the Apple TV show freebie. As long as it going to be displayed on TV you can get it for free from Apple. Australian news and commentators you don’t see it because there is a very strict rule against media taking freebies.

    Now the other forms of shows in Australia like drama shows you see a lot of Apple product for the simple reason its free.

    bw
    –Microsoft is still making a huge amount of money each quarter, even so.–
    This is very hard to tell. It does take a fair while for the true state of Microsoft always to show threw.

    Windows 8 there were a lot of pre sales same for OEM for copies of MS Office to bundle. This causes a lag between income into MS and sales to customers or lack of sales to customers to show up in MS bottom line.

  15. bw says:

    I have never seen one of these things in a store. Some of these things that are touted here are even hard to find on the internet. There isn’t much sizzle left in the computer business, at least for what people call computers. What is there is mostly for Apple notebooks. Every news commentator seems to have a silver cased notebook with an Apple logo showing on his/her desk these days. Microsoft is still making a huge amount of money each quarter, even so.

  16. oiaohm says:

    Der Balrog you are walking into a death trap with that ChromeBook enslavement idea.

    Google will be publishing sometime this year how to replace the boot firmware in all existing chromebooks.

    The source code to the firmware in all existing chromebooks can be found at chromium OS repository. Yes chromium OS source code also includes all the tools to make new signing keys as well. The missing information to replace the firmware with one with your own private signing keys is how to disable the fireware write protection to be able to write your own private firmware in.

    http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/22465.html Yes read the blog Google person in charge of Chromebook development has answered.

    Der Balrog Google is given us the most open hardware we have seen in quite sometime. Yes other changes are planned as well for the Chromebooks to make them more suitable to run other OS’s without as major of alterations in future.

    If the plans go the way Google is talking by the middle of 2014 you will not have any form of leg to stand on against Chromebooks.

    Really when is Microsoft going to release the source code to the firmware in there devices. I guess never.

    Now if Google Chromebooks are enslavement. Windows RT machines are complete torture and jail in some third world country.

  17. Der Balrog says:

    Chromebooks: From one “enslavement” to another. Some ludicrous advice.

    I’m beginning to ask myself if Mr. Pogson’s bosom buddies at Google are paying him for his glowing praise.

  18. ssorbom says:

    I’m still hoping to see Debian or Ubuntu laptops preinstalled at my local BestBuy or Fry’s Electronics someday. I won’t consider Microsoft dead until “The year of the Linux desktop” becomes a reality. Microsoft wouldn’t have to die for this to be a reality either, come to think of it. I would consider GNU\Linux possesing a third or fourth of the competition on the desktop to be a fair bargain. Personally, I just want enough so that hardware vendos and websites don’t treat my OS of choice like a second class citizen.

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