Robert Pogson

6 Responses to “Debian’s Here, There and Everywhere (almost)”

1. 1 MK Oct 29th, 2012 at 4:33 pm

   Hm…, surprisingly, Russia, the Middle East, Africa and parts of South America are virtually free of Debian mirrors. Is there no internet in Cairo or in Lima?

2. 2 oiaohm Oct 29th, 2012 at 10:47 pm

   MK some of those locations in the the Middle East, and Africa are hidden mirrors. Due to country fire-walling and countries rules not allowing University to provide public mirrors. Then some is simply the hardware is not good enough in those countries to run mirrors.

   Russia does have a quite few debian mirrors. Catch is they are a cluster multi IP to one DNS address. Russia number of mirror servers is basically deceptive.

3. 3 Ohioham Oct 30th, 2012 at 12:22 am

   @Ohioham [citation needed]

   {rp: This comment is actually by Tiberius James Hooker. Why the subterfuge? What is the agenda besides discussion of IT?}

4. 4 Tiberius James Hooker Oct 31st, 2012 at 1:16 am

   I was posting from one of Hamster’s hidden mirrors, because they are a cluster multi handle to one, they all come up as Ohioham.

   No, but seriously, If my aim was to be sneaky, I’d hop behind a proxy, as much as I enjoy Shatner references ( I think I’ve used William Tiberius Nimoy here as well), I like to change things up now and again.

   Why the paranoia? Why must there be a hidden agenda?

   Back on topic, it seems entirely reasonable that there are higher concentrations of mirrors in more densely populated areas. The total absence in the Middle east is quirky, Africa is to be expected, but strikes me as amusing is the single mirror in Russia that’s in neither Moscow, nor Saint Petersbug.

   I was expecting more than two in Brasil.

   I question the utility of nearby mirrors, I tend to find for example, Sunsite (Germany) and French mirrors, on their respective nationwide fiberoptic networks significantly faster than the much closer ones at U of Sherbrooke and U of waterloo.

5. 5 oiaohm Oct 31st, 2012 at 4:32 am

   Tiberius James Hooker
   –but strikes me as amusing is the single mirror in Russia that’s in neither Moscow, nor Saint Petersbug.–
   No major data centres or fiberlinks in either of those locations. The were cold war nuke weapon targets.

   The primary russia debian server is mirror.mephi.ru that owns to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow_Engineering_Physics_Institute_%28National_Research_Nuclear_University%29

   The servers are not in Moscow. Because that would be stupid since that is where nuke missiles were targeted and still might be.

   So management office for the server is in Moscow server is not. There is another one on the list where the management is in Saint Petersbug but the server is not as well. Server home and management home are two different things.

   mirror.mephi.ru is not one server at one location.

   I think you forgot we had a cold war so servers could not be placed in particular locations just in case a nuke was dropped. Even that the cold war is over the bureaucracy is still in place.

   –I was expecting more than two in Brasil.–
   Suspect is correct.

   http://www.debian.org/mirror/list There are quite a few in Russia and Brasil that are not directly controlled by members of the debian project. That draw up map is only servers run by members of the Debian Organisation as well. Not the full list that include some non Debian Organisation mirrors. Yes the number of mirrors that are not Debian Organisation members expands the numbers a lot.

   –I question the utility of nearby mirrors, I tend to find for example, Sunsite (Germany) and French mirrors, on their respective nationwide fiberoptic networks significantly faster than the much closer ones at U of Sherbrooke and U of waterloo.–

   These nearby mirrors have been useful when a boat/backhoe /anything else you can think of destroys fibre links. Disaster proofing the system.

   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_censorship

   Middle east is a touchy place. Not everything in the debian mirror passes the I am polite requirement.

   http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/fortunes-off for example you would not host in some countries in the Middle east area and since you don’t host it you are downgrade to a part mirror not a full mirror so don’t appear in the main mirror lists.

   Tiberius James Hooker yes the don’t use rude words requirement in some Islamic countries puts on the wrong side of running a full debian mirror.

   It also makes me wonder how hyber-v Hex id that is basically bigboobs gets past in some places.

6. 6 Mongrol Nov 2nd, 2012 at 12:00 pm

   “No major data centres or fiberlinks in either of those locations.”

   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bcy8bvhewtU
   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCL-rxnjS6o
   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmLAj9iIfQk

   http://www.datacentermap.com/russia/moscow/
   http://www.datacentermap.com/russia/saint-petersburg/

   http://www.efinancialnews.com/story/2012-08-21/high-speed-route-links-london-and-moscow

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