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GNU/Linux Selling on Retail Shelves in China

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GNU/Linux Selling on Retail Shelves in China

I found a guy living in China, Josh Kiley, posting pictures from China:

MeeGo Machine sold in China by ASUS.

Dell Machine with Ubuntu GNU/Linux

I don’t read Chinese but the pictures seem consistent with reports of stores selling GNU/Linux in China. I don’t believe the stories that these machines are intended for illegal copies of XP. That may have been the case a few years ago but there’s a whole new generation of users getting PCs now that have never used XP and for whom smart phones and tablets are OK.

Good for Dell and ASUS. Don’t forget the rest of the world.

12 Comments

  1. ram

    With the Chinese government (as in the PRC) strongly endorsing Red Flag Linux as their ‘national operating system’ I am absolutely confident that retail stores in China are offering Linux preinstalled. There are more Linux users in China than the USA has people!

    You can look all this stuff up. It is public knowledge. Also look up the services provided by Chinese webhosting and ISP providers. It is overwhelmingly Linux based.

  2. oiaohm

    https://meego.com/downloads/releases/1.2/meego-v1.2-netbooks
    –v1.2.0.9 Netbook Update Released: 31 May 2012– That is the last full official update.

    Jolla for mobile devices and netbook use the same Meego Core. All work on the Meego core is shared with the Meego desktop.

    –Jolla is continuing the smartphone version of MeeGo ONLY. Pog posted a picture of a netbook, so Jolla is irrelevant here.–
    In fact no. Jolla also has plans todo tablets as well.

    kurkosdr the kernel in meego is a long term kernel it support for 5 years before they have to change major version of that. Meego is being very much a debian.

    kurkosdr web site blog is a Linux foundation blog. Since the Linux foundation moved on the news stopped. But the official release pages have kept ticking over.

    So looking at the web site can completely trick you kurkosdr. No one in the development team has stepped up to be PR person.

    http://meego.gitorious.org/
    –Has any of those supporters (Asus etc) actually contributed code the last months? –
    Yes when you look at the meego git repository you can see them doing it.

    kurkosdr Meego is one of those things its not dead yet. Its doing a very good job from web site of playing dead. But in background is still moving quite a lot.

    Serous-ally with Meego if you look at 1.0 and 1.1 and 2.0 it takes them about 2 years todo a new release with a new kernel.

    Middle of 2013 no new release then you worry about its life. Its just too soon to call it dead. There is still a spark in Meego the question is how strong.

  3. kurkosdr

    Yes, but the OS it’s running (MeeGo Netbook edition) had it’s latest (and probably last) telease on 19 May 2011. Dead.

  4. Robert Pogson

    kurkosdr wrote, “Latest release for MeeGo Netbook version: 19 May 2011 (no, not 2012) Uh, oh…”

    It’s on ASUS’ site today.

  5. kurkosdr

    months = years (sorry again)

    Latest release for MeeGo Netbook version: 19 May 2011 (no, not 2012) Uh, oh…

    Even the site itself (meego.com) looks abandonded (see the news section).

  6. kurkosdr

    Notice it shows MeeGo as an option for OS. So, probably that machine and others like it are still sold in China.

    Wow! OEMs are not even trying to keep it real anymore. “Does it install? Install it and pretend we offer an OS with that PC. No, it doesn’t matter it’s dead. HP is installing FreeDOS for eff’s shake!”

    Really mice and men. There will be MeeGo phones released. In theory Tizen was ment to replace it. It did at the Linux foundation but today MeeGo lives on supported by other companies include Asus
    Then why there are no more versions released? Has any of those supporters (Asus etc) actually contributed code the last months? Have any code commits (or changes in the codebase at all) happened to MeeGo during the last months? Does the latest version of MeeGo that is available for download at MeeGo.com or the one that comes with said Asus even include the latest kernel? (no, the downloads are months old).

    Jolla is interesting its ex-nokia developers and hardware designers who are keeping on going with MeeGo and already have carriers in china looking to pickup what ever they make..

    Seems to me you have confused the netbook version of MeeGo with the smartphone version.

    Jolla is continuing the smartphone version of MeeGo ONLY. Pog posted a picture of a netbook, so Jolla is irrelevant here.

    TiZen is theoretically continuing both the netbook and smartphone version of MeeGo, but it seems focused mainly on the smartphone version.

    The netbook version of MeeGo is *practically* dead (theoretically alive through TiZen), much like the IVI and SmartTV versions.

    Anyway, as long as X.org abd PulseAudio don’t get their act together (and Wayland keeps progressing at snail’s pace), Desktop Linux doesn’t have a chance. Pog, stop being a cheapstake and buy an Asus Transformer. Then you will be able to post about a Linux that’s actually desirable (and, gasp! working).

  7. oiaohm

    kurkosdr your point 2 black screen of death is possible with windows as well. Few people with asus notebooks installing a generic OEM windows disc have run into this. There is just some hardware if you don’t have a matched installer with windows or Linux in a pain in ass.

    The rate of black screen of death with windows and Linux installs are about the same. Some video cards are just down right sus.

    1) with crm don’t forgot items like sugercrm. Linux has crm’s fairly much covered closed and open source.

    Also there are quite a few closed source CAD’s for Linux.

    So for some professionals all the software they need is on Linux.

    –Wasn’t MeeGo supposed to be dead? (you know, replaced by TiZen?) Dat photo iz old. The machine is most probably not sold anymore, or sold with another OS.–
    Really mice and men. There will be MeeGo phones released. In theory Tizen was ment to replace it. It did at the Linux foundation but today MeeGo lives on supported by other companies include Asus.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MeeGo

    kurkosdr welcome to the FOSS super vague define of dead. Dead this group. Does not mean all supporters will declare it dead.

    Jolla is interesting its ex-nokia developers and hardware designers who are keeping on going with MeeGo and already have carriers in china looking to pickup what ever they make..

    –Then I saw an Acer Ubuntu PC that had a winmodem that wasn’t even supported by the OS–
    There are a few Acer Ubuntu PC with winmodems where you have to pay 15 dollars to use the winmodem. Yes suxs they did not fit one of the generics. Yes the driver is in the Ubuntu online store(hmm how to get there if your Internet is only dial-up).

    Yes that is one of lets kick Acer in nuts for being stupid.

    kurkosdr
    –This is how it was and is actually done for small local OEMs. You tell the OEM (if there is any and isn’t the store itsef doing the assembly) to leave the hard drive blank, and then you typically install pirated Windows.–
    I common-ally order machines with blank hard-drives. Because as soon as I get them I will be installing a Linux image on them.

    Really desktop machine hardware is very dependable. 2 desktop class machines on 2 UPS’s sitting next to each other as fall over redundancy. I have see that match the more expensive server hardware for uptime.

    Most places theses days I have accounts and can order machine blank no question if its on there Linux supported list. This includes dell and hp.

  8. Robert Pogson

    kurkosdr wrote, “The machine is most probably not sold anymore, or sold with another OS.”

    This is what’s currently on ASUS site:
    Notice it shows MeeGo as an option for OS. So, probably that machine and others like it are still sold in China.

    That was published in August 2011 Engadget.

  9. kurkosdr

    there are too problems with Windows = there are two problems with Linux

  10. kurkosdr

    See, even if you don’t have legacy Windows apps, there are too problems with Windows

    1) You still need quality apps like Photoshop (GIMP sucks, you have to hold shift to draw a straight line and other insanities like this) and professional software (AutoCAD, CRM apps etc)

    2) Upgrades break. There is even a tutorial for them: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTmZYzaxR_k&feature=g-all-u How often does it happen anyway? Every six months? Borked upgrades are a courtesy of X.org and PulseAudio.

    These can frustrate even a user not encumbered with legacy Windows software pretty quickly.

  11. kurkosdr

    (here is a response from a previous thread)

    they could ship clean hard drives cheaper.

    This is how it was and is actually done for small local OEMs. You tell the OEM (if there is any and isn’t the store itsef doing the assembly) to leave the hard drive blank, and then you typically install pirated Windows.

    But you know, major and global OEMs have to be less obvious and pretend they actually give an OS with the PC. So they install Ubuntu which costs $0, and the result is the same. I had bought the fairy tale too. You know, the one that says that Chinese users, unencumbered by Windows legacy software, happily embrace Ubuntu. Then I saw an Acer Ubuntu PC that had a winmodem that wasn’t even supported by the OS, and I said “I see what you did there”. Ubuntu was there to pretend they give an OS. HP is doing the same, by offering computers with FreeDOS. Should we also assume there are millions of FreeDOS users out there, that somehow don’t show up in the stats?

    There is also the case people buy Ubuntu PCs, get frustrated that it doesn’t have the apps they want and the fact upgrades break every six months, and decide to install warez Windows.

  12. kurkosdr

    MeeGo Machine sold in China by ASUS.

    Wasn’t MeeGo supposed to be dead? (you know, replaced by TiZen?) Dat photo iz old. The machine is most probably not sold anymore, or sold with another OS.

    Dell Machine with Ubuntu GNU/Linux

    See my second post.

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