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	<title>Comments on: Digitimes Research: Global notebook shipments decline 4.5% sequentially in 3Q12</title>
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		<title>By: kozmcrae</title>
		<link>http://mrpogson.com/2012/10/15/digitimes-research-global-notebook-shipments-decline-4-5-sequentially-in-3q12/#comment-100162</link>
		<dc:creator>kozmcrae</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2012 14:39:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Chris Weig wrote:

&quot;Microsoft being market leader is ridiculous? No, it’s a fact.&quot;

This report didn&#039;t say Microsoft wasn&#039;t a market leader.  It said, in so many words, Microsoft isn&#039;t as much of a market leader as it used to be.  And that&#039;s what the report before this one said.  And there&#039;s good reason to believe the next report will say something similar.

You are still using the same old reasoning, &quot;Microsoft is a big company so it isn&#039;t in trouble.&quot;.  That&#039;s nonsense.  Microsoft is taking hits on all of its markets.

You are also attempting to drag this discussion into an old thread that has nothing to do with this discussion.  That is disingenuous of you Chris.  What&#039;s the matter, is this discussion going badly for you?  Do you feel it better to change it?  

Or are you done with this discussion and now you just want to trash it completely?  I think there should be a penalty for doing that.  That discussion has be talked to death.  We don&#039;t need to talk about it anymore.  I think anyone who attempts to derail a thread with that nonsense should be banned.  Or, at the very least, given a time out for a couple of weeks. 

I think I know how you will attempt to defend your insistence on returning back to that discussion.  Let&#039;s see if I am right.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris Weig wrote:</p>
<p>&#8220;Microsoft being market leader is ridiculous? No, it’s a fact.&#8221;</p>
<p>This report didn&#8217;t say Microsoft wasn&#8217;t a market leader.  It said, in so many words, Microsoft isn&#8217;t as much of a market leader as it used to be.  And that&#8217;s what the report before this one said.  And there&#8217;s good reason to believe the next report will say something similar.</p>
<p>You are still using the same old reasoning, &#8220;Microsoft is a big company so it isn&#8217;t in trouble.&#8221;.  That&#8217;s nonsense.  Microsoft is taking hits on all of its markets.</p>
<p>You are also attempting to drag this discussion into an old thread that has nothing to do with this discussion.  That is disingenuous of you Chris.  What&#8217;s the matter, is this discussion going badly for you?  Do you feel it better to change it?  </p>
<p>Or are you done with this discussion and now you just want to trash it completely?  I think there should be a penalty for doing that.  That discussion has be talked to death.  We don&#8217;t need to talk about it anymore.  I think anyone who attempts to derail a thread with that nonsense should be banned.  Or, at the very least, given a time out for a couple of weeks. </p>
<p>I think I know how you will attempt to defend your insistence on returning back to that discussion.  Let&#8217;s see if I am right.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Pogson</title>
		<link>http://mrpogson.com/2012/10/15/digitimes-research-global-notebook-shipments-decline-4-5-sequentially-in-3q12/#comment-100158</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Pogson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2012 14:16:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Chris Weig wrote, &lt;em&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;green&quot;&gt;&quot;Microsoft being market leader is ridiculous? No, it’s a fact. It’s a fact that your great community hasn’t been able to change. Many FLOSS greats have predicted Microsoft’s fall, but nothing has happened.&quot;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/em&gt;

Even web stats show M$ has declined from 95% share to ~70% in the last decade. That was largely due to increasing use of */Linux and MacOS. At this rate, market leadership is in doubt. If you consider mobile stuff as personal computers, M$&#039;s share is just above 50%. They are down to ~70% even in their home country. They may still be numerically leading but the rate of decline is dramatic. It&#039;s a matter of when and how low they will go. 2012 is the last year that leadership might be in doubt. Consider the &quot;secure boot&quot; thing. Next year M$ will not be in a position to pull off such nonsense without consensus. Do not confuse M$&#039;s revenue with their leadership. Revenue is tied to OEM shipments which have increased a lot over the years. This year, however, OEM shipments of M$&#039;s stuff have stagnated.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris Weig wrote, <em><font color="green">&#8220;Microsoft being market leader is ridiculous? No, it’s a fact. It’s a fact that your great community hasn’t been able to change. Many FLOSS greats have predicted Microsoft’s fall, but nothing has happened.&#8221;</font></em></p>
<p>Even web stats show M$ has declined from 95% share to ~70% in the last decade. That was largely due to increasing use of */Linux and MacOS. At this rate, market leadership is in doubt. If you consider mobile stuff as personal computers, M$&#8217;s share is just above 50%. They are down to ~70% even in their home country. They may still be numerically leading but the rate of decline is dramatic. It&#8217;s a matter of when and how low they will go. 2012 is the last year that leadership might be in doubt. Consider the &#8220;secure boot&#8221; thing. Next year M$ will not be in a position to pull off such nonsense without consensus. Do not confuse M$&#8217;s revenue with their leadership. Revenue is tied to OEM shipments which have increased a lot over the years. This year, however, OEM shipments of M$&#8217;s stuff have stagnated.</p>
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		<title>By: oiaohm</title>
		<link>http://mrpogson.com/2012/10/15/digitimes-research-global-notebook-shipments-decline-4-5-sequentially-in-3q12/#comment-100152</link>
		<dc:creator>oiaohm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2012 13:57:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Chris Weig Really the market leader idea is kinda a problem.  Embedded has overtaken desktop in number of Units.

Linux might be the market leader right now.  Just a particular segment is just resistant.

My way for Microsoft to fail has always been the law of advancing tech with reducing price.

http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/2180

35 dollar raspberry-pi just double its ram with no per unit price change.

Chris Weig there was always a end to Microsoft rain of control.   Foss people are now designing there own boards.  They are also proto designing there own CPU chips as well.  Cost of doing this has reduced.

Chris Weig your 20 year logic is stupid.  By the 20 year logic you use we would still be using horse and cart.

--people rejected Linux.-- We have more and more governments accepting Linux as their primary desktop.

Rejection of Linux is no longer happening everywhere.

Without market growth Microsoft income is going to drop.  So death of Microsoft in it current form will happen its not a if its a when.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris Weig Really the market leader idea is kinda a problem.  Embedded has overtaken desktop in number of Units.</p>
<p>Linux might be the market leader right now.  Just a particular segment is just resistant.</p>
<p>My way for Microsoft to fail has always been the law of advancing tech with reducing price.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/2180" rel="nofollow">http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/2180</a></p>
<p>35 dollar raspberry-pi just double its ram with no per unit price change.</p>
<p>Chris Weig there was always a end to Microsoft rain of control.   Foss people are now designing there own boards.  They are also proto designing there own CPU chips as well.  Cost of doing this has reduced.</p>
<p>Chris Weig your 20 year logic is stupid.  By the 20 year logic you use we would still be using horse and cart.</p>
<p>&#8211;people rejected Linux.&#8211; We have more and more governments accepting Linux as their primary desktop.</p>
<p>Rejection of Linux is no longer happening everywhere.</p>
<p>Without market growth Microsoft income is going to drop.  So death of Microsoft in it current form will happen its not a if its a when.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Weig</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Weig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2012 07:06:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;cite&gt;You’re lashing out with totally ridiculous statements Chris.&lt;/cite&gt;

Microsoft being market leader is ridiculous? No, it&#039;s a fact. It&#039;s a fact that your great community hasn&#039;t been able to change. Many FLOSS greats have predicted Microsoft&#039;s fall, but nothing has happened. Sad. So sad.

&lt;cite&gt;You should find another endeavor before you lose it completely.&lt;/cite&gt;

You mean like certain apologetes who have absolved IBM of their sins concerning the holocaust? No, won&#039;t happen to me, Sir.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><cite>You’re lashing out with totally ridiculous statements Chris.</cite></p>
<p>Microsoft being market leader is ridiculous? No, it&#8217;s a fact. It&#8217;s a fact that your great community hasn&#8217;t been able to change. Many FLOSS greats have predicted Microsoft&#8217;s fall, but nothing has happened. Sad. So sad.</p>
<p><cite>You should find another endeavor before you lose it completely.</cite></p>
<p>You mean like certain apologetes who have absolved IBM of their sins concerning the holocaust? No, won&#8217;t happen to me, Sir.</p>
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		<title>By: kozmcrae</title>
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		<dc:creator>kozmcrae</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2012 16:52:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Chris Weig wrote:

&quot;People had a choice for more than 20 years now, Linux had a chance for 20 years now.&quot;

You&#039;re lashing out with totally ridiculous statements Chris.  You should find another endeavor before you lose it completely.  You can take this one to the bank, the news is not going to get any better for Microsoft.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris Weig wrote:</p>
<p>&#8220;People had a choice for more than 20 years now, Linux had a chance for 20 years now.&#8221;</p>
<p>You&#8217;re lashing out with totally ridiculous statements Chris.  You should find another endeavor before you lose it completely.  You can take this one to the bank, the news is not going to get any better for Microsoft.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Pogson</title>
		<link>http://mrpogson.com/2012/10/15/digitimes-research-global-notebook-shipments-decline-4-5-sequentially-in-3q12/#comment-100069</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Pogson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2012 12:46:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Chris Weig wrote, &lt;em&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;green&quot;&gt;&quot;People had a choice for more than 20 years now, Linux had a chance for 20 years now.&quot;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/em&gt;

No, they didn&#039;t. Computer geeks had a choice and millions chose GNU/Linux. Now consumers have a choice and millions chose Android/Linux. Some consumers have a choice and they choose GNU/Linux. You&#039;re living in the past, Chris.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris Weig wrote, <em><font color="green">&#8220;People had a choice for more than 20 years now, Linux had a chance for 20 years now.&#8221;</font></em></p>
<p>No, they didn&#8217;t. Computer geeks had a choice and millions chose GNU/Linux. Now consumers have a choice and millions chose Android/Linux. Some consumers have a choice and they choose GNU/Linux. You&#8217;re living in the past, Chris.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Weig</title>
		<link>http://mrpogson.com/2012/10/15/digitimes-research-global-notebook-shipments-decline-4-5-sequentially-in-3q12/#comment-100068</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Weig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2012 12:09:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[People had a choice for more than 20 years now, Linux had a chance for 20 years now. People chose Windows, people rejected Linux.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People had a choice for more than 20 years now, Linux had a chance for 20 years now. People chose Windows, people rejected Linux.</p>
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