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		<title>By: oiaohm</title>
		<link>http://mrpogson.com/2012/10/09/google-odf/#comment-99809</link>
		<dc:creator>oiaohm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2012 09:45:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[oldman
--Libre office for android exists where?--
This is the question you asked.

Now if you wanted production please state that in future or at least don&#039;t follow it with this.  Because that question I would have said exists in alpha and not provided link.

--Tell you what Show me the running code for the Alpha version--

Now you asked directly here to see the alpha version.  There are 2 alpha versions one for x86 and one for arm and there are video for both oldman.

You have not answered the question I asked.  Yes I missed the ? mark.

Exactly what alpha do you want(to be shown)? Android x86 or Android arm.

Meeks blog contains videos of x86 and arm libreoffice.  Different entries. 

So oldman you did not provide enough information for me to answer your request.  Then you get upset.

oldman
--You play this game of using facts dishonestly and think that it gets you somewhere – it doesn’t. Alphas code does not exist as far as the end user is concerned, period.--
This is moving the goal posts.  You asked for alpha so I showed you alpha.  You asked to see the alpha now you are saying it don&#039;t exist to end users.

You asked to see something in particular.  Now that I go to give it to you with all the warning not to use it in production.

oldman really with some of the idiots that travel the Internet do you think I could miss the warning.  Don&#039;t include warning we will have idiots. We both know this.

--Oldman you don’t ship alphas out to every insane bugger.--

This is because I am mostly questioning why you are asking to see alpha&#039;s in the first place.  It was not making any sense from my point of view due to how simple they are to find.  Common place for most projects in the daily builds list if stage 2 alphas exist.

If stage 2 alphas did not exist I could understand you asking oldman where are the alpha.  There is a stage 3 alpha where they are up on general download.  Stage 3 normally comes when the alpha is getting the the point that a beta could be possible soon due to how feature complete the alpha is.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oldman<br />
&#8211;Libre office for android exists where?&#8211;<br />
This is the question you asked.</p>
<p>Now if you wanted production please state that in future or at least don&#8217;t follow it with this.  Because that question I would have said exists in alpha and not provided link.</p>
<p>&#8211;Tell you what Show me the running code for the Alpha version&#8211;</p>
<p>Now you asked directly here to see the alpha version.  There are 2 alpha versions one for x86 and one for arm and there are video for both oldman.</p>
<p>You have not answered the question I asked.  Yes I missed the ? mark.</p>
<p>Exactly what alpha do you want(to be shown)? Android x86 or Android arm.</p>
<p>Meeks blog contains videos of x86 and arm libreoffice.  Different entries. </p>
<p>So oldman you did not provide enough information for me to answer your request.  Then you get upset.</p>
<p>oldman<br />
&#8211;You play this game of using facts dishonestly and think that it gets you somewhere – it doesn’t. Alphas code does not exist as far as the end user is concerned, period.&#8211;<br />
This is moving the goal posts.  You asked for alpha so I showed you alpha.  You asked to see the alpha now you are saying it don&#8217;t exist to end users.</p>
<p>You asked to see something in particular.  Now that I go to give it to you with all the warning not to use it in production.</p>
<p>oldman really with some of the idiots that travel the Internet do you think I could miss the warning.  Don&#8217;t include warning we will have idiots. We both know this.</p>
<p>&#8211;Oldman you don’t ship alphas out to every insane bugger.&#8211;</p>
<p>This is because I am mostly questioning why you are asking to see alpha&#8217;s in the first place.  It was not making any sense from my point of view due to how simple they are to find.  Common place for most projects in the daily builds list if stage 2 alphas exist.</p>
<p>If stage 2 alphas did not exist I could understand you asking oldman where are the alpha.  There is a stage 3 alpha where they are up on general download.  Stage 3 normally comes when the alpha is getting the the point that a beta could be possible soon due to how feature complete the alpha is.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Pogson</title>
		<link>http://mrpogson.com/2012/10/09/google-odf/#comment-99802</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Pogson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2012 05:02:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[oldman wrote, &lt;em&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;green&quot;&gt;&quot;BY my best estimate we are looking at two years minimum before trustworthy code. Alot can happen in two years.&quot;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/em&gt;

That guy is a smart cookie and he will have all the help he wants if he needs it. LibreOffice is swarming with developers looking to make things happen. When OpenOffice.org considered a 64-bit port, they could only round up a few developers. &lt;a href=&quot;http://arstechnica.com/business/2012/02/libreoffice-stats-400-total-contributors-thousands-of-code-commits-every-month/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;LibreOffice has many more developers&lt;/a&gt; now than OpenOffice.org ever did.

Recent news:
&lt;ul&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;They are working on cross-compiling for Android:&lt;em&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;green&quot;&gt;&quot;Cross-compiling code

Other major improvements in 3.6 are the ability to do cross-compiles of LibreOffice - Tor Lillqvist did a lot of work here, initially focused on ensuring that the MingW cross-compile for Windows from Linux worked well. This can be run on very fast hardware as a tinderbox to ensure that master remains buildable always. That work has expanded into cross-compilation to Android and iOS both of which continue to develop and improve in master. At the same time Eilidh McAdam for Lanedo has done some great work at cross-compiling .msi files from Linux, re-using wine code - to improve that install flow and move us towards fully Free Software tooling.&quot;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.gnome.org/~michael/blog/2012-08-03.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Android/Intel viewer is &quot;slick&quot;&lt;/a&gt;, just one summer&#039;s work.&lt;/li&gt;
	&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.gnome.org/~michael/blog/2012-08-16.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Meeks has a team working on Android&lt;/a&gt;. &lt;/li&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oldman wrote, <em><font color="green">&#8220;BY my best estimate we are looking at two years minimum before trustworthy code. Alot can happen in two years.&#8221;</font></em></p>
<p>That guy is a smart cookie and he will have all the help he wants if he needs it. LibreOffice is swarming with developers looking to make things happen. When OpenOffice.org considered a 64-bit port, they could only round up a few developers. <a href="http://arstechnica.com/business/2012/02/libreoffice-stats-400-total-contributors-thousands-of-code-commits-every-month/" rel="nofollow">LibreOffice has many more developers</a> now than OpenOffice.org ever did.</p>
<p>Recent news:</p>
<ul>
<li>They are working on cross-compiling for Android:<em><font color="green">&#8220;Cross-compiling code
<p>Other major improvements in 3.6 are the ability to do cross-compiles of LibreOffice &#8211; Tor Lillqvist did a lot of work here, initially focused on ensuring that the MingW cross-compile for Windows from Linux worked well. This can be run on very fast hardware as a tinderbox to ensure that master remains buildable always. That work has expanded into cross-compilation to Android and iOS both of which continue to develop and improve in master. At the same time Eilidh McAdam for Lanedo has done some great work at cross-compiling .msi files from Linux, re-using wine code &#8211; to improve that install flow and move us towards fully Free Software tooling.&#8221;</font></em></li>
<li><a href="http://www.gnome.org/~michael/blog/2012-08-03.html" rel="nofollow">The Android/Intel viewer is &#8220;slick&#8221;</a>, just one summer&#8217;s work.</li>
<li><a href="http://www.gnome.org/~michael/blog/2012-08-16.html" rel="nofollow">Meeks has a team working on Android</a>. </li>
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		<title>By: Robert Pogson</title>
		<link>http://mrpogson.com/2012/10/09/google-odf/#comment-99801</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Pogson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2012 04:34:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[M$&#039;s office suite on ARM. You can already run whole distros of GNU/Linux on ARM. You still cannot buy WARM yet. So, it doesn&#039;t exist.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>M$&#8217;s office suite on ARM. You can already run whole distros of GNU/Linux on ARM. You still cannot buy WARM yet. So, it doesn&#8217;t exist.</p>
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		<title>By: oldman</title>
		<link>http://mrpogson.com/2012/10/09/google-odf/#comment-99800</link>
		<dc:creator>oldman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2012 04:01:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;LibreOffice has it all over M$’s office suite which only exists on really over-priced vapourware.&lt;/i&gt; which code are you speaking of Pog?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>LibreOffice has it all over M$’s office suite which only exists on really over-priced vapourware.</i> which code are you speaking of Pog?</p>
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		<title>By: oldman</title>
		<link>http://mrpogson.com/2012/10/09/google-odf/#comment-99799</link>
		<dc:creator>oldman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2012 04:00:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;There’s one thing sure about alpha code with LibreOffice, they have the manpower to bring it to fruition sooner rather than later. This stuff is not going to languish several years before it reaches the end-user.&lt;/i&gt;

Are you sure Pog? I understand that there is only one developer doing the port (apparently the same one who ported gimp to windows).

BY my best estimate we are looking at two years minimum before trustworthy code. Alot can happen in two years.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>There’s one thing sure about alpha code with LibreOffice, they have the manpower to bring it to fruition sooner rather than later. This stuff is not going to languish several years before it reaches the end-user.</i></p>
<p>Are you sure Pog? I understand that there is only one developer doing the port (apparently the same one who ported gimp to windows).</p>
<p>BY my best estimate we are looking at two years minimum before trustworthy code. Alot can happen in two years.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Pogson</title>
		<link>http://mrpogson.com/2012/10/09/google-odf/#comment-99795</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Pogson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2012 02:45:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[oldman, moving the goal-posts, wrote, &lt;em&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;green&quot;&gt;&quot;Alphas code does not exist as far as the end user is concerned, period.&quot;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/em&gt;

There&#039;s one thing sure about alpha code with LibreOffice, they have the manpower to bring it to fruition sooner rather than later. This stuff is not going to languish several years before it reaches the end-user. Between the web-interface and the Android port, LibreOffice has it all over M$&#039;s office suite which only exists on really over-priced vapourware.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oldman, moving the goal-posts, wrote, <em><font color="green">&#8220;Alphas code does not exist as far as the end user is concerned, period.&#8221;</font></em></p>
<p>There&#8217;s one thing sure about alpha code with LibreOffice, they have the manpower to bring it to fruition sooner rather than later. This stuff is not going to languish several years before it reaches the end-user. Between the web-interface and the Android port, LibreOffice has it all over M$&#8217;s office suite which only exists on really over-priced vapourware.</p>
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		<title>By: oldman</title>
		<link>http://mrpogson.com/2012/10/09/google-odf/#comment-99794</link>
		<dc:creator>oldman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2012 02:37:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;You asked exists where Android Libreoffice. Exactly what alpha do you want. Android x86 or Android arm. They are both there. Choose you poison. Not that I would be recommending for production just yet.&lt;/i&gt;

Gee no shit hamster... However, considering that Alpha code is by definition both unstable and more often than not feature incomplete and fit only for the developer team, it effectively doesnt exist.

You play this game of using facts dishonestly and think that it gets you somewhere - it doesn&#039;t.  Alphas code does not exist as far as the end user is concerned, period.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>You asked exists where Android Libreoffice. Exactly what alpha do you want. Android x86 or Android arm. They are both there. Choose you poison. Not that I would be recommending for production just yet.</i></p>
<p>Gee no shit hamster&#8230; However, considering that Alpha code is by definition both unstable and more often than not feature incomplete and fit only for the developer team, it effectively doesnt exist.</p>
<p>You play this game of using facts dishonestly and think that it gets you somewhere &#8211; it doesn&#8217;t.  Alphas code does not exist as far as the end user is concerned, period.</p>
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		<title>By: oiaohm</title>
		<link>http://mrpogson.com/2012/10/09/google-odf/#comment-99724</link>
		<dc:creator>oiaohm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2012 03:29:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[oldman
--Translation: you can root you tablet voiding your support warranty and the run a linux distribution the run a recompiled version of of the non touch enabled version in a smart phone equipped with a dockiing station that allows a keyboard mouse and monitor to be attached.--

Oldman who is a idiot about what you do with android.  linux on android is in the standard google store.  So Ubuntu inside android does not void and there are a few devices like Nexus where installing third parties firmwares is not warranty void.  Developer editions you are expected to install third party firmware so warnity is not linked to firmware.  They are also smart and don&#039;t have e-fuses in those or means to override thermal fail safe or anything else that basically allows a stuffed up firmware todo hardware damage.

Just to be nasty X11 is touch aware.  Funny enough so OpenOffice was used on tablets long ago.

www.whioam.com/software-update-for-wetab-delivers-multi-touch-support.html  Yes been there for a while.

Yet libreoffice supports multi touch gestures.  Since oldman most likely never used it on a tablet would not know this.

oldman
--Libre office for android exists where?

Tell you what Show me the running code for the Alpha version – URL please.--
http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/daily/
You asked exists where Android Libreoffice.  Exactly what alpha do you want.  Android x86 or Android arm.  They are both there.  Choose you poison.  Not that I would be recommending for production just yet.

As with all libreoffice Alpha&#039;s when it is in the daily builds when its second form alpha.  Meaning it builds dependable enough not to be wasting a build servers cpu time.  First form alpha does not have build server because too many bugs exist that need developer to fix to even get a binary.

Oldman you don&#039;t ship alphas out to every insane bugger.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oldman<br />
&#8211;Translation: you can root you tablet voiding your support warranty and the run a linux distribution the run a recompiled version of of the non touch enabled version in a smart phone equipped with a dockiing station that allows a keyboard mouse and monitor to be attached.&#8211;</p>
<p>Oldman who is a idiot about what you do with android.  linux on android is in the standard google store.  So Ubuntu inside android does not void and there are a few devices like Nexus where installing third parties firmwares is not warranty void.  Developer editions you are expected to install third party firmware so warnity is not linked to firmware.  They are also smart and don&#8217;t have e-fuses in those or means to override thermal fail safe or anything else that basically allows a stuffed up firmware todo hardware damage.</p>
<p>Just to be nasty X11 is touch aware.  Funny enough so OpenOffice was used on tablets long ago.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.whioam.com/software-update-for-wetab-delivers-multi-touch-support.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.whioam.com/software-update-for-wetab-delivers-multi-touch-support.html</a>  Yes been there for a while.</p>
<p>Yet libreoffice supports multi touch gestures.  Since oldman most likely never used it on a tablet would not know this.</p>
<p>oldman<br />
&#8211;Libre office for android exists where?</p>
<p>Tell you what Show me the running code for the Alpha version – URL please.&#8211;<br />
<a href="http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/daily/" rel="nofollow">http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/daily/</a><br />
You asked exists where Android Libreoffice.  Exactly what alpha do you want.  Android x86 or Android arm.  They are both there.  Choose you poison.  Not that I would be recommending for production just yet.</p>
<p>As with all libreoffice Alpha&#8217;s when it is in the daily builds when its second form alpha.  Meaning it builds dependable enough not to be wasting a build servers cpu time.  First form alpha does not have build server because too many bugs exist that need developer to fix to even get a binary.</p>
<p>Oldman you don&#8217;t ship alphas out to every insane bugger.</p>
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		<title>By: oldman</title>
		<link>http://mrpogson.com/2012/10/09/google-odf/#comment-99688</link>
		<dc:creator>oldman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2012 18:13:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Why? Do you look it code in while running Windows?&lt;/i&gt;

Yep even write actually running code. Do you?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Why? Do you look it code in while running Windows?</i></p>
<p>Yep even write actually running code. Do you?</p>
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		<title>By: dougman</title>
		<link>http://mrpogson.com/2012/10/09/google-odf/#comment-99686</link>
		<dc:creator>dougman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2012 17:55:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re: Show me the running code

Why? Do you look it code in while running Windows?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: Show me the running code</p>
<p>Why? Do you look it code in while running Windows?</p>
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