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	<title>Comments on: LimuxWatch Gives Up. Munich and GNU/Linux Win</title>
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		<title>By: That Exploit Guy</title>
		<link>http://mrpogson.com/2012/09/28/limuxwatch-gives-up-munich-and-gnulinux-win/#comment-98443</link>
		<dc:creator>That Exploit Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2012 00:01:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Robert Pogson

&lt;i&gt;&#039;which I have removed. It seems to work now.&#039;&lt;/i&gt;

Will you ever &lt;b&gt;listen&lt;/b&gt;? Regardless of what you do with the CSS, your HTML markups are still &lt;b&gt;broken&lt;/b&gt;. The &lt;a href=&quot;http://validator.w3.org&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;validator&lt;/a&gt; will still tell you that there are stray &lt;li&gt; tags in line 230 and 231, and your layout will still be shown as messed up in &lt;b&gt;most&lt;/b&gt; browsers after those lines.

&lt;b&gt;Stop being obtuse.&lt;/b&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Robert Pogson</p>
<p><i>&#8216;which I have removed. It seems to work now.&#8217;</i></p>
<p>Will you ever <b>listen</b>? Regardless of what you do with the CSS, your HTML markups are still <b>broken</b>. The <a href="http://validator.w3.org" rel="nofollow">validator</a> will still tell you that there are stray &lt;li&gt; tags in line 230 and 231, and your layout will still be shown as messed up in <b>most</b> browsers after those lines.</p>
<p><b>Stop being obtuse.</b></p>
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		<title>By: Robert Pogson</title>
		<link>http://mrpogson.com/2012/09/28/limuxwatch-gives-up-munich-and-gnulinux-win/#comment-98436</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Pogson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Sep 2012 23:17:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[there was a line in style.css

list-style:none

which I have removed. It seems to work now.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>there was a line in style.css</p>
<p>list-style:none</p>
<p>which I have removed. It seems to work now.</p>
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		<title>By: That Exploit Guy</title>
		<link>http://mrpogson.com/2012/09/28/limuxwatch-gives-up-munich-and-gnulinux-win/#comment-98433</link>
		<dc:creator>That Exploit Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Sep 2012 22:09:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;&#039;CSS is screwed up somewhere. HTML is correct.&#039;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;i&gt;

You do notice that the W3C Markup Validation Service is provided by the very same body that standardises HTML, right?

Stop being obtuse - you are simply digging yourself into a hole as we speak.&lt;/i&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8216;CSS is screwed up somewhere. HTML is correct.&#8217;</i><i></p>
<p>You do notice that the W3C Markup Validation Service is provided by the very same body that standardises HTML, right?</p>
<p>Stop being obtuse &#8211; you are simply digging yourself into a hole as we speak.</i></p>
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		<title>By: Robert Pogson</title>
		<link>http://mrpogson.com/2012/09/28/limuxwatch-gives-up-munich-and-gnulinux-win/#comment-98431</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Pogson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Sep 2012 21:52:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;A&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;B&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;

This is what I see with this test:
&lt;a href=&quot;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;img src=&quot;http://mrpogson.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/comment_li-e1349040276742.png&quot; /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;

My browser displays 

A

B

CSS is screwed up somewhere. HTML is correct.

Chrome browser reports:
&lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;media=&quot;all&quot;
.widefat * {
word-wrap: break-word;
}
edit-comments.phpmedia=&quot;all&quot;
li, dd {
margin-bottom: 6px;
}
user agent stylesheetli {
display: list-item;
text-align: -webkit-match-parent;
}
Inherited from ul
edit-comments.phpmedia=&quot;all&quot;
.widefat td p, .widefat td ol, .widefat td ul {
font-size: 12px;
}
edit-comments.phpmedia=&quot;all&quot;
.widefat p, .widefat ol, .widefat ul {
color: #333;
}
edit-comments.phpmedia=&quot;all&quot;
ul {
list-style: none;
}
user agent stylesheetul, menu, dir {
list-style-type: disc;
}
Inherited from td.comment.column-comment
edit-comments.phpmedia=&quot;all&quot;
.widefat td {
color: #555;
}
edit-comments.phpmedia=&quot;all&quot;
.widefat td {
font-size: 12px;
}
edit-comments.phpmedia=&quot;all&quot;
td, textarea {
line-height: inherit;
}
edit-comments.phpmedia=&quot;all&quot;
td, textarea, input, select {
font-family: inherit;
font-size: inherit;
font-weight: inherit;
}
Inherited from table.widefat.fixed.comments
edit-comments.phpmedia=&quot;all&quot;
.widefat {
border-spacing: 0;
}
user agent stylesheettable {
border-collapse: separate;
border-spacing: 2px;
border-color: gray;
}
Inherited from div#wpbody
edit-comments.phpmedia=&quot;all&quot;
body, #wpbody, .form-table .pre, .ui-autocomplete li a {
color: #333;
}
Inherited from body.wp-admin.js.edit-comments-php.admin-bar.branch-3-4.version-3-4-2.admin-color-fresh.locale-en-us.no-customize-support
edit-comments.phpmedia=&quot;all&quot;
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body {
font-family: sans-serif;
font-size: 12px;
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}&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;

That&#039;s what I call bloat. &quot;list-style: none&quot; could be helpful...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<ul>
<li>A</li>
<li>B</li>
</ul>
<p>This is what I see with this test:<br />
<a href="" rel="nofollow"><img src="http://mrpogson.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/comment_li-e1349040276742.png" /></a></p>
<p>My browser displays </p>
<p>A</p>
<p>B</p>
<p>CSS is screwed up somewhere. HTML is correct.</p>
<p>Chrome browser reports:<br />
<strong><em>media=&#8221;all&#8221;<br />
.widefat * {<br />
word-wrap: break-word;<br />
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list-style-type: disc;<br />
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edit-comments.phpmedia=&#8221;all&#8221;<br />
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color: #333;<br />
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edit-comments.phpmedia=&#8221;all&#8221;<br />
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<p>That&#8217;s what I call bloat. &#8220;list-style: none&#8221; could be helpful&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: That Exploit Guy</title>
		<link>http://mrpogson.com/2012/09/28/limuxwatch-gives-up-munich-and-gnulinux-win/#comment-98429</link>
		<dc:creator>That Exploit Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Sep 2012 21:18:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Robert Pogson

&lt;i&gt;&#039;Somewhere between TinyMCE, WordPress and my browser they mess up. By leaving off the ul tags, my browser shows them correctly.&#039;&lt;/i&gt;

Then &lt;b&gt;stop using lists&lt;/b&gt;.

As I have already mentioned, each comment here is formatted as a list item (i.e. &lt;li&gt;...&lt;/li&gt;) inside an ordered list (&lt;ol&gt;...&lt;/ol&gt;). By leaving out the enclosing unordered list tags(&lt;ul&gt;...&lt;/ul&gt;), the list items become their own individual &quot;comments&quot;.

Also, list items are not supposed to be present outside &lt;ol&gt;...&lt;/ol&gt; or &lt;ul&gt;...&lt;/ul&gt;. That&#039;s an &lt;b&gt;incorrect&lt;/b&gt; use of the &lt;li&gt;...&lt;/li&gt; tags.

&lt;a&gt;W3C Markup Validation Service&lt;/a&gt;:

&lt;i&gt;&#039;Line 231, Column 4: document type does not allow element &quot;li&quot; here; missing one of &quot;ul&quot;, &quot;ol&quot;, &quot;menu&quot;, &quot;dir&quot; start-tag&#039;&lt;/i&gt;

What good is a standard for if you &lt;b&gt;don&#039;t&lt;/b&gt; follow it?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Robert Pogson</p>
<p><i>&#8216;Somewhere between TinyMCE, WordPress and my browser they mess up. By leaving off the ul tags, my browser shows them correctly.&#8217;</i></p>
<p>Then <b>stop using lists</b>.</p>
<p>As I have already mentioned, each comment here is formatted as a list item (i.e. &lt;li&gt;&#8230;&lt;/li&gt;) inside an ordered list (&lt;ol&gt;&#8230;&lt;/ol&gt;). By leaving out the enclosing unordered list tags(&lt;ul&gt;&#8230;&lt;/ul&gt;), the list items become their own individual &#8220;comments&#8221;.</p>
<p>Also, list items are not supposed to be present outside &lt;ol&gt;&#8230;&lt;/ol&gt; or &lt;ul&gt;&#8230;&lt;/ul&gt;. That&#8217;s an <b>incorrect</b> use of the &lt;li&gt;&#8230;&lt;/li&gt; tags.</p>
<p><a>W3C Markup Validation Service</a>:</p>
<p><i>&#8216;Line 231, Column 4: document type does not allow element &#8220;li&#8221; here; missing one of &#8220;ul&#8221;, &#8220;ol&#8221;, &#8220;menu&#8221;, &#8220;dir&#8221; start-tag&#8217;</i></p>
<p>What good is a standard for if you <b>don&#8217;t</b> follow it?</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Weig</title>
		<link>http://mrpogson.com/2012/09/28/limuxwatch-gives-up-munich-and-gnulinux-win/#comment-98425</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Weig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Sep 2012 20:48:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Pogson, you have the code! Use the FLOSS force. You&#039;re a physicist. I&#039;m sure you can do it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pogson, you have the code! Use the FLOSS force. You&#8217;re a physicist. I&#8217;m sure you can do it.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Pogson</title>
		<link>http://mrpogson.com/2012/09/28/limuxwatch-gives-up-munich-and-gnulinux-win/#comment-98421</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Pogson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Sep 2012 20:36:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Are you referring to comments or posts? I always include &lt;ul&gt; in posts. Comments are the problem for me. Using &lt;/ul&gt;&lt;ul&gt; causes the &lt;li&gt;s to disappear in my comments. It&#039;s a CSS thing or an WP thing. I don&#039;t know which. Haven&#039;t looked into it.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;

See? I included a ul tag and wp matched it with a /ul tag and then matched the li with a /li and /ul and still messed it up. No li or /li tags in the result.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are you referring to comments or posts? I always include
<ul> in posts. Comments are the problem for me. Using </ul>
<ul> causes the
<li>s to disappear in my comments. It&#8217;s a CSS thing or an WP thing. I don&#8217;t know which. Haven&#8217;t looked into it.</li>
</ul>
<p>See? I included a ul tag and wp matched it with a /ul tag and then matched the li with a /li and /ul and still messed it up. No li or /li tags in the result.</p>
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		<title>By: Mongrol</title>
		<link>http://mrpogson.com/2012/09/28/limuxwatch-gives-up-munich-and-gnulinux-win/#comment-98418</link>
		<dc:creator>Mongrol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Sep 2012 20:21:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Perhaps you are using IE6.&quot;

It&#039;s _not_ a browser issue. Your site is generating bad markup. The LI thing is just the one that&#039;s screwing up layout.

http://goo.gl/avTdN

And it&#039;s Firefox 14.0.1, if you must know.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Perhaps you are using IE6.&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s _not_ a browser issue. Your site is generating bad markup. The LI thing is just the one that&#8217;s screwing up layout.</p>
<p><a href="http://goo.gl/avTdN" rel="nofollow">http://goo.gl/avTdN</a></p>
<p>And it&#8217;s Firefox 14.0.1, if you must know.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Pogson</title>
		<link>http://mrpogson.com/2012/09/28/limuxwatch-gives-up-munich-and-gnulinux-win/#comment-98413</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Pogson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Sep 2012 19:02:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Somewhere between TinyMCE, WordPress and my browser they mess up. By leaving off the ul tags, my browser shows them correctly. Perhaps you are using IE6.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Somewhere between TinyMCE, WordPress and my browser they mess up. By leaving off the ul tags, my browser shows them correctly. Perhaps you are using IE6.</p>
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		<title>By: Mongrol</title>
		<link>http://mrpogson.com/2012/09/28/limuxwatch-gives-up-munich-and-gnulinux-win/#comment-98406</link>
		<dc:creator>Mongrol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Sep 2012 18:27:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[

&quot;Oh and when are you going to realize that using ordered lists in comments break your page layout?&quot;

If it helps, Wordpress is adding a closing LineItem (LI) tag outside a DIV. If you can&#039;t fix it, it might help if you used the OL or UL tags to contain your lists, instead of just using LI to define items.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Oh and when are you going to realize that using ordered lists in comments break your page layout?&#8221;</p>
<p>If it helps, WordPress is adding a closing LineItem (LI) tag outside a DIV. If you can&#8217;t fix it, it might help if you used the OL or UL tags to contain your lists, instead of just using LI to define items.</p>
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