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		<title>By: kozmcrae</title>
		<link>http://mrpogson.com/2012/09/16/increasing-market-share-now/#comment-96798</link>
		<dc:creator>kozmcrae</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2012 16:18:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thorsten Rahn wrote:


&quot;Really, does your being pathetic know no ends? Apparently not. No arguments, no clues, no nothing. A typical Cult of FLOSS member beyond saving.&quot;

I think I&#039;ll just leave that one alone.  You&#039;re doing a much better job than I am of degrading your image.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thorsten Rahn wrote:</p>
<p>&#8220;Really, does your being pathetic know no ends? Apparently not. No arguments, no clues, no nothing. A typical Cult of FLOSS member beyond saving.&#8221;</p>
<p>I think I&#8217;ll just leave that one alone.  You&#8217;re doing a much better job than I am of degrading your image.</p>
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		<title>By: Ivan</title>
		<link>http://mrpogson.com/2012/09/16/increasing-market-share-now/#comment-96740</link>
		<dc:creator>Ivan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2012 08:17:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;The reality here is other than maintaining current there is no plans to improve FreeBSD design at all.&lt;/b&gt;

The reality, Pete, is that you are fudding per your usual M.O.

Nowhere in your link does it mention dropped support for any platform and it clearly states:

&lt;i&gt;To help facilitate the XDC discussion, I&#039;ve put together a straw-man
proposal for an updated Linux OpenGL ABI.  I&#039;m sending this out now to
start generating feedback and ideas, to help make the XDC discussion as
productive as possible.&lt;/i&gt;

The Phrase &quot;Straw-man proposal&quot; would indicate that this evidence of future plans of dropped support is something entirely different...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>The reality here is other than maintaining current there is no plans to improve FreeBSD design at all.</b></p>
<p>The reality, Pete, is that you are fudding per your usual M.O.</p>
<p>Nowhere in your link does it mention dropped support for any platform and it clearly states:</p>
<p><i>To help facilitate the XDC discussion, I&#8217;ve put together a straw-man<br />
proposal for an updated Linux OpenGL ABI.  I&#8217;m sending this out now to<br />
start generating feedback and ideas, to help make the XDC discussion as<br />
productive as possible.</i></p>
<p>The Phrase &#8220;Straw-man proposal&#8221; would indicate that this evidence of future plans of dropped support is something entirely different&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Thorsten Rahn</title>
		<link>http://mrpogson.com/2012/09/16/increasing-market-share-now/#comment-96730</link>
		<dc:creator>Thorsten Rahn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2012 05:18:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@kozmcrae:

Really, does your being pathetic know no ends? Apparently not. No arguments, no clues, no nothing. A typical Cult of FLOSS member beyond saving.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@kozmcrae:</p>
<p>Really, does your being pathetic know no ends? Apparently not. No arguments, no clues, no nothing. A typical Cult of FLOSS member beyond saving.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Pogson</title>
		<link>http://mrpogson.com/2012/09/16/increasing-market-share-now/#comment-96717</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Pogson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2012 03:40:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[oiaohm wrote, &lt;em&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;green&quot;&gt;&quot;Web numbers count home usage fairly well under count business usage. Linux current desktop market is business.&quot;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/em&gt;

It&#039;s the other way around in California. Google&#039;s few thousand PCs raises the level of GNU/Linux usage in California, pop. 37million, from a low level to ~9% or so. California without Google (Sunnyvale, California) shows a tiny level for GNU/Linux although we know there are millions of GNU/Linux users in California. I suspect Google is over-counted because the users are in a business domain or Google is somehow partnered with NetApplications. See &lt;a href=&quot;http://mrpogson.com/2012/05/31/a-measure-of-the-bias-of-netapplications-against-gnulinux/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;A Measure of the Bias of Net Applications Against GNU/Linux&lt;/a&gt;

and &lt;a href=&quot;http://mrpogson.com/2012/04/08/before-and-after-the-filter/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Before and After the Filter&lt;/a&gt;

There are other anomalies like Brazil, where Walmart&#039;s best-sellers run GNU/Linux has a tiny number for GNU/Linux in NetApplications measures. M$ even had estimates far above NetApplications numbers a decade ago and GNU/Linux has done nothing but increase in popularity since those times.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oiaohm wrote, <em><font color="green">&#8220;Web numbers count home usage fairly well under count business usage. Linux current desktop market is business.&#8221;</font></em></p>
<p>It&#8217;s the other way around in California. Google&#8217;s few thousand PCs raises the level of GNU/Linux usage in California, pop. 37million, from a low level to ~9% or so. California without Google (Sunnyvale, California) shows a tiny level for GNU/Linux although we know there are millions of GNU/Linux users in California. I suspect Google is over-counted because the users are in a business domain or Google is somehow partnered with NetApplications. See <a href="http://mrpogson.com/2012/05/31/a-measure-of-the-bias-of-netapplications-against-gnulinux/" rel="nofollow">A Measure of the Bias of Net Applications Against GNU/Linux</a></p>
<p>and <a href="http://mrpogson.com/2012/04/08/before-and-after-the-filter/" rel="nofollow">Before and After the Filter</a></p>
<p>There are other anomalies like Brazil, where Walmart&#8217;s best-sellers run GNU/Linux has a tiny number for GNU/Linux in NetApplications measures. M$ even had estimates far above NetApplications numbers a decade ago and GNU/Linux has done nothing but increase in popularity since those times.</p>
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		<title>By: kozmcrae</title>
		<link>http://mrpogson.com/2012/09/16/increasing-market-share-now/#comment-96713</link>
		<dc:creator>kozmcrae</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2012 03:10:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thorsten Rahn wrote:

&quot;“But Linux runs CERN! And supercomputers!! … F**k you, you M$ shill!!!”&quot;

Your words Thorsten, not mine.  Gee Thorsten, you kind of lost it there.  Maybe I shouldn&#039;t have used CERN as an example.  Would the New York Stock Exchange have been better?

Why don&#039;t you take 10 deep breaths before you decide to post next time.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thorsten Rahn wrote:</p>
<p>&#8220;“But Linux runs CERN! And supercomputers!! … F**k you, you M$ shill!!!”&#8221;</p>
<p>Your words Thorsten, not mine.  Gee Thorsten, you kind of lost it there.  Maybe I shouldn&#8217;t have used CERN as an example.  Would the New York Stock Exchange have been better?</p>
<p>Why don&#8217;t you take 10 deep breaths before you decide to post next time.</p>
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		<title>By: oiaohm</title>
		<link>http://mrpogson.com/2012/09/16/increasing-market-share-now/#comment-96696</link>
		<dc:creator>oiaohm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2012 00:43:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To understand what is going on understanding Goobuntu is critical.

That is a hardened version of Ubuntu.

Note you are not allowed to use any old Linux in Google.  It must be hardened.

Google you require special permission to use Windows.  Really special then the network access of that machine is highly restricted.

This goes back to the google breaches in china.  Entry points was a Microsoft Windows computer.

Since then Google is taking data security serous-ally of the desktop OS.

The work on Linux at the moment is not only to produce a usable desktop also a secure one.  One that gives attackers least chance of getting into your system.

So JR its not as straight forwards as it seams.  Microsoft Windows is basically blacklisted at Google.  Yet they are still able to run a business without it.  This is not the only company where this is the case.  Microsoft always wants to pay that they are cheap or are doing it for no reason.

Drone control usa mil is migrating to Linux same reason security.

Linux killer feature is that is stronger than Windows on security.  Downside the desktop needs work to fix some major holes like X11.

Governments that are not the USA wanting not to run Windows makes sense.  The windows update servers source from the USA and the USA in time of war can control those servers.

There are many reasons why Governments should not run Windows exclusively.

Remember wikimedia counts by IP.  So how many Internet connections do 15 000 computers have with different IP address when its munich.  The answer is 2 the primary and the backup.

Web numbers count home usage fairly well under count business usage.  Linux current desktop market is business.

This is where everything goes wrong basically we have no numbers that really do what businesses are using on the desktop.  Funny enough Microsoft is one of the companies that really could get these numbers.   Most companies had taken out a Microsoft Volume license at some point.  This allows on site inspect by an inspector of Microsoft choosing.  This could be a true independent.

Since this is the case.  Microsoft could do a real marketing move but they don&#039;t.  This should be enough to make you wonder why don&#039;t that.  They can get the most exact numbers of what lot of business are really using but they don&#039;t.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To understand what is going on understanding Goobuntu is critical.</p>
<p>That is a hardened version of Ubuntu.</p>
<p>Note you are not allowed to use any old Linux in Google.  It must be hardened.</p>
<p>Google you require special permission to use Windows.  Really special then the network access of that machine is highly restricted.</p>
<p>This goes back to the google breaches in china.  Entry points was a Microsoft Windows computer.</p>
<p>Since then Google is taking data security serous-ally of the desktop OS.</p>
<p>The work on Linux at the moment is not only to produce a usable desktop also a secure one.  One that gives attackers least chance of getting into your system.</p>
<p>So JR its not as straight forwards as it seams.  Microsoft Windows is basically blacklisted at Google.  Yet they are still able to run a business without it.  This is not the only company where this is the case.  Microsoft always wants to pay that they are cheap or are doing it for no reason.</p>
<p>Drone control usa mil is migrating to Linux same reason security.</p>
<p>Linux killer feature is that is stronger than Windows on security.  Downside the desktop needs work to fix some major holes like X11.</p>
<p>Governments that are not the USA wanting not to run Windows makes sense.  The windows update servers source from the USA and the USA in time of war can control those servers.</p>
<p>There are many reasons why Governments should not run Windows exclusively.</p>
<p>Remember wikimedia counts by IP.  So how many Internet connections do 15 000 computers have with different IP address when its munich.  The answer is 2 the primary and the backup.</p>
<p>Web numbers count home usage fairly well under count business usage.  Linux current desktop market is business.</p>
<p>This is where everything goes wrong basically we have no numbers that really do what businesses are using on the desktop.  Funny enough Microsoft is one of the companies that really could get these numbers.   Most companies had taken out a Microsoft Volume license at some point.  This allows on site inspect by an inspector of Microsoft choosing.  This could be a true independent.</p>
<p>Since this is the case.  Microsoft could do a real marketing move but they don&#8217;t.  This should be enough to make you wonder why don&#8217;t that.  They can get the most exact numbers of what lot of business are really using but they don&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Pogson</title>
		<link>http://mrpogson.com/2012/09/16/increasing-market-share-now/#comment-96688</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Pogson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2012 20:37:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thorsten Rahn wrote, &lt;em&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;green&quot;&gt;&quot;someone had the audacity to point out that Linux on desktops is not happening&quot;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/em&gt;.

Someone would be wrong then. GNU/Linux is happening on the desktop. Some people just refuse to accept that it has any share at all. That&#039;s why the fiction of ~1% and why some people even bother to visit my blog.

Clearly GNU/Linux is widely used. It would be hard to point out any class of people or tasks that people do with IT that do not involve GNU/Linux somehow. Some examples that trolls pass out are colour printing (which I do often, but not for a living) designing stuff, (which I do a lot), and making multimedia. All of these things can and are being done by people with GNU/Linux, just not the way the trolls demand, with that other OS. An OS is just a convenient few layers of software on a PC. The applications do a lot of the work and GNU/Linux has thousands of them. Enough for just about any task. GNU/Linux is over the hump of availability of applications, hardware, graphics, and every other barrier the trolls trot out. They just want to waste time.

Anyway, while the trolls waste time, I have a life and harvested pumpkin and made the first pumpkin pie of this season, and welded another table for the greenhouse and enjoyed a much-needed rain-shower. Did I mention the little woman loves toasted pumpkin seeds?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thorsten Rahn wrote, <em><font color="green">&#8220;someone had the audacity to point out that Linux on desktops is not happening&#8221;</font></em>.</p>
<p>Someone would be wrong then. GNU/Linux is happening on the desktop. Some people just refuse to accept that it has any share at all. That&#8217;s why the fiction of ~1% and why some people even bother to visit my blog.</p>
<p>Clearly GNU/Linux is widely used. It would be hard to point out any class of people or tasks that people do with IT that do not involve GNU/Linux somehow. Some examples that trolls pass out are colour printing (which I do often, but not for a living) designing stuff, (which I do a lot), and making multimedia. All of these things can and are being done by people with GNU/Linux, just not the way the trolls demand, with that other OS. An OS is just a convenient few layers of software on a PC. The applications do a lot of the work and GNU/Linux has thousands of them. Enough for just about any task. GNU/Linux is over the hump of availability of applications, hardware, graphics, and every other barrier the trolls trot out. They just want to waste time.</p>
<p>Anyway, while the trolls waste time, I have a life and harvested pumpkin and made the first pumpkin pie of this season, and welded another table for the greenhouse and enjoyed a much-needed rain-shower. Did I mention the little woman loves toasted pumpkin seeds?</p>
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		<title>By: Clarence Moon</title>
		<link>http://mrpogson.com/2012/09/16/increasing-market-share-now/#comment-96687</link>
		<dc:creator>Clarence Moon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2012 20:25:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;please make the distinction...&lt;/b&gt; 

Please make some honest effort to determine and honor the context of the thread before going off on another stupid rant and playing with word definitions.  The issue here is the number of users who have adopted desktop Linux.  That is very plain to see if you are not just trying to be cute.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>please make the distinction&#8230;</b> </p>
<p>Please make some honest effort to determine and honor the context of the thread before going off on another stupid rant and playing with word definitions.  The issue here is the number of users who have adopted desktop Linux.  That is very plain to see if you are not just trying to be cute.</p>
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		<title>By: Thorsten Rahn</title>
		<link>http://mrpogson.com/2012/09/16/increasing-market-share-now/#comment-96684</link>
		<dc:creator>Thorsten Rahn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2012 19:59:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;cite&gt;Linux is used everywhere for just about every purpose under the Sun by every kind of person imaginable. You are either out of touch with reality or you have an agenda that can not accept the existence of a vibrant Linux ecosystem.&lt;/cite&gt;

And yet, the only example you could cite was -- CERN! You&#039;re like a little child who throws a tantrum because someone had the audacity to point out that Linux on desktops is not happening. And all you can do is shout: &quot;But Linux runs CERN! And supercomputers!! ... F**k you, you M$ shill!!!&quot;

Go play atom smashing, little kozmcrae.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><cite>Linux is used everywhere for just about every purpose under the Sun by every kind of person imaginable. You are either out of touch with reality or you have an agenda that can not accept the existence of a vibrant Linux ecosystem.</cite></p>
<p>And yet, the only example you could cite was &#8212; CERN! You&#8217;re like a little child who throws a tantrum because someone had the audacity to point out that Linux on desktops is not happening. And all you can do is shout: &#8220;But Linux runs CERN! And supercomputers!! &#8230; F**k you, you M$ shill!!!&#8221;</p>
<p>Go play atom smashing, little kozmcrae.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Pogson</title>
		<link>http://mrpogson.com/2012/09/16/increasing-market-share-now/#comment-96678</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Pogson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2012 18:12:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[JR wrote, &lt;em&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;green&quot;&gt;&quot;I seem to think that Google uses linux on their servers albeit there own rendition therof.

I would hardly call that minor usage.&quot;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/em&gt;

Google also uses Goobuntu GNU/Linux desktops, which manages to skew all of USA numbers on NetApplications...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JR wrote, <em><font color="green">&#8220;I seem to think that Google uses linux on their servers albeit there own rendition therof.</p>
<p>I would hardly call that minor usage.&#8221;</font></em></p>
<p>Google also uses Goobuntu GNU/Linux desktops, which manages to skew all of USA numbers on NetApplications&#8230;</p>
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