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	<title>Comments on: Costs Drive Adoption of FLOSS by Government of Kenya</title>
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		<title>By: Thorsten Rahn</title>
		<link>http://mrpogson.com/2012/09/15/costs-drive-adoption-of-floss-by-government-of-kenya/#comment-96681</link>
		<dc:creator>Thorsten Rahn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2012 19:18:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;cite&gt;oldman for someone who can write old english you don’t understand the basics of culture.&lt;/cite&gt;

What the heck does this sentence even mean?!

Your language deficits really are a great opposition to your wishing to express complex thoughts. But then again... your thoughts aren&#039;t really overly complex. So it&#039;s really a good match.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><cite>oldman for someone who can write old english you don’t understand the basics of culture.</cite></p>
<p>What the heck does this sentence even mean?!</p>
<p>Your language deficits really are a great opposition to your wishing to express complex thoughts. But then again&#8230; your thoughts aren&#8217;t really overly complex. So it&#8217;s really a good match.</p>
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		<title>By: oiaohm</title>
		<link>http://mrpogson.com/2012/09/15/costs-drive-adoption-of-floss-by-government-of-kenya/#comment-96628</link>
		<dc:creator>oiaohm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2012 12:13:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[oldman for someone who can write old english you don&#039;t understand the basics of culture.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oldman for someone who can write old english you don&#8217;t understand the basics of culture.</p>
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		<title>By: oiaohm</title>
		<link>http://mrpogson.com/2012/09/15/costs-drive-adoption-of-floss-by-government-of-kenya/#comment-96627</link>
		<dc:creator>oiaohm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2012 12:10:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[oldman reality not stupid.  Never fight an enemy on a battle field they control.  Art of War.  When I was younger I forgot this.

So battling on TM Repository were its not ensured to be a fair fight is stupid and foolish when you know its not a fair fight.

Reality you placed the challenge.  I do have a blog I have set the place place that suites me.  If you don&#039;t like the place I selected you are free to suggest another one.  Really you were wanting to set the topics as well.  Come one where is your basic honour of the dual.  One person chooses the weapons One person chooses the place.  Fair fight.

Please beware if you set the place I set the topics oldman and will not answer on any other topics end of story.  This was not want you were wanting either.  I choose to post here so I have to play with the topics and I was not challenged to be here.

Reality you never considered that I play by a code.

Thorsten Rahn
--For the government this is probably a last-ditch effort to save face. As you can be fined for using pirated (Microsoft) software since the end of last year, they seemingly are putting up a scam front, trying to hide how much pirated (Microsoft) software is used in the government.--
Does not work that way.  Read you Microsoft licenses carefully there are clauses where Microsoft can inspect in volume licenses.  Even decades latter there is no expire date.

Common claim by Microsoft that there is pirate software.  MS has sent in inspectors lots of times to find out that its not the case for most of the large FOSS migrations.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oldman reality not stupid.  Never fight an enemy on a battle field they control.  Art of War.  When I was younger I forgot this.</p>
<p>So battling on TM Repository were its not ensured to be a fair fight is stupid and foolish when you know its not a fair fight.</p>
<p>Reality you placed the challenge.  I do have a blog I have set the place place that suites me.  If you don&#8217;t like the place I selected you are free to suggest another one.  Really you were wanting to set the topics as well.  Come one where is your basic honour of the dual.  One person chooses the weapons One person chooses the place.  Fair fight.</p>
<p>Please beware if you set the place I set the topics oldman and will not answer on any other topics end of story.  This was not want you were wanting either.  I choose to post here so I have to play with the topics and I was not challenged to be here.</p>
<p>Reality you never considered that I play by a code.</p>
<p>Thorsten Rahn<br />
&#8211;For the government this is probably a last-ditch effort to save face. As you can be fined for using pirated (Microsoft) software since the end of last year, they seemingly are putting up a scam front, trying to hide how much pirated (Microsoft) software is used in the government.&#8211;<br />
Does not work that way.  Read you Microsoft licenses carefully there are clauses where Microsoft can inspect in volume licenses.  Even decades latter there is no expire date.</p>
<p>Common claim by Microsoft that there is pirate software.  MS has sent in inspectors lots of times to find out that its not the case for most of the large FOSS migrations.</p>
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		<title>By: oldman</title>
		<link>http://mrpogson.com/2012/09/15/costs-drive-adoption-of-floss-by-government-of-kenya/#comment-96624</link>
		<dc:creator>oldman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2012 11:07:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Mind you after the insults about my sex origination and other things that happens the last time at TM repository I will take them on at my blog were I can delete anyone doing that. If they agree to get rid of what is not valid or at least mark it as such. There is lots on there that needs to go&quot;

As I suspected, you are a coward - all billys are.

No matter - Enjoy your irrelevance Mr. Janitor.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Mind you after the insults about my sex origination and other things that happens the last time at TM repository I will take them on at my blog were I can delete anyone doing that. If they agree to get rid of what is not valid or at least mark it as such. There is lots on there that needs to go&#8221;</p>
<p>As I suspected, you are a coward &#8211; all billys are.</p>
<p>No matter &#8211; Enjoy your irrelevance Mr. Janitor.</p>
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		<title>By: Thorsten Rahn</title>
		<link>http://mrpogson.com/2012/09/15/costs-drive-adoption-of-floss-by-government-of-kenya/#comment-96598</link>
		<dc:creator>Thorsten Rahn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2012 04:50:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For the government this is probably a last-ditch effort to save face. As you can be fined for using pirated (Microsoft) software since the end of last year, they seemingly are putting up a scam front, trying to hide how much pirated (Microsoft) software is used in the government.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the government this is probably a last-ditch effort to save face. As you can be fined for using pirated (Microsoft) software since the end of last year, they seemingly are putting up a scam front, trying to hide how much pirated (Microsoft) software is used in the government.</p>
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		<title>By: kozmcrae</title>
		<link>http://mrpogson.com/2012/09/15/costs-drive-adoption-of-floss-by-government-of-kenya/#comment-96559</link>
		<dc:creator>kozmcrae</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Sep 2012 23:05:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[These articles on migrations to GNU/Linux brings the Cult of Microsoft out of the woodwork the most.  They hate to see it happen.  And it happens far too often for them.  Keep it up Robert.  I love to see them squirm.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These articles on migrations to GNU/Linux brings the Cult of Microsoft out of the woodwork the most.  They hate to see it happen.  And it happens far too often for them.  Keep it up Robert.  I love to see them squirm.</p>
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		<title>By: oiaohm</title>
		<link>http://mrpogson.com/2012/09/15/costs-drive-adoption-of-floss-by-government-of-kenya/#comment-96558</link>
		<dc:creator>oiaohm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Sep 2012 22:54:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[oldman pointed to Malaysia for what the future of kenya could look like.  Reasons Malaysia migrated were the same reasons.

oldman I took the invite to TM repository when it first started.  The grade of twits there has not improved.  Defeated the idiots who where there then for failing to fact check.  The group there today has the same fault.  Did not stop them from being idiots back then.  Back then they would not delete or mark invalid TM or FUD.  Even if I provided all the references that it was.  That is why people associated with TM repository I gave up providing links.

Mind you after the insults about my sex origination and other things that happens the last time at TM repository I will take them on at my blog were I can delete anyone doing that. If they agree to get rid of what is not valid or at least mark it as such.  There is lots on there that needs to go.

Clarence Moon
--The web server product market was almost from its inception dominated by Netscape.--
Complete lie.
http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2012/09/10/september-2012-web-server-survey.html

Netcraft has been around before Netsape made a server product.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NCSA_HTTPd is not Netscape never was.  NCSA dominated for a while but it mostly did not charge either.  NCSA was replace by Apache as HTTPd server of preference.  Happened once Apache had more developers than NCSA and could develop faster.  Critical Mass effect. 

Same critical mass effect could happen to Apache HTTPd.  In fact nginx is threatening to.

The reality is Microsoft cannot throw enough resources at IIS to be competitive against Apache.  Times when Microsoft pushes lots money at IIS its market share has grown but Microsoft is unable to maintain that.  At this stage can throw Microsoft enough to be competitive against nginx.  Netscape faced the same problem.

The Critical Mass effect is lethal and its double sided.  Trend setting is one thing.  Having the enough staff behind you to be able to feature beat your competitors is another thing.  You can have the trend.  If you don&#039;t have the Critical Mass to support the trend you will not profit from it.  The trend will fade away.

Clarence Moon
--If anyone bought a web server, it was Netscape Enterprise Server and many pundits at the time suggested that Netscape with its seeming lock on web servers and browsers would be the “next Microsoft” and soon put Bill Gates and his wares into the discount bin for a closeout sale.--

Apparently you read some people who could not do fact checking.  Netscape never got the critical mass to have more full time developers than Microsoft.  

Netscape never got to a dominate location compared to the competition in anything other than browsers.

Clarence Moon
--Zero dollars, zero market--
Funny Redhat and IBM do very well from the Web-server market.  Its not a zero market.  There is still a market for support.  You still need to provide product to get that Market.

Thorsten Rahn places like Malaysia have being doing it over over 10 years.  Almost all its government departments are Linux only.  The reality Linux works for lots of roles.  700 out 724 are Linux only.

Thorsten Rahn not to say Linux cannot work better.  Yes there is a big F**K this don&#039;t work when people start migrating from Windows to Linux base environments.  Due to the incompatibilities.  I have never said that was not the case.  Issue is those incompatibilities are reducing.

Argument that Linux does not work does not hold water.   Or places like Malaysia would have been forced to migrate back.  Only major dispute really is cost of migration.

The 80/20 split does basically hold.  If you look at Malaysia the split goes way past that 96/4 yes 96 percent Linux 4 percent Windows.  That is there government OS split.   So Windows in Malaysia government computers is approaching insignificance.  That percentage has been drifting up over the years they have been running.

This is why I don&#039;t believe Munich will stop at 80 percent.  The past government migrations suggest it will drift in the director of 95 percent over time.

Result is Linux more dominate inside these governments that complete Linux Migration than what Microsoft is in the General OS market.

Yes if I quote just the percentage from the governments that have got through migration you guys would be pick over and over again if you were not told that the Linux percentage was the Windows number because it will look right.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oldman pointed to Malaysia for what the future of kenya could look like.  Reasons Malaysia migrated were the same reasons.</p>
<p>oldman I took the invite to TM repository when it first started.  The grade of twits there has not improved.  Defeated the idiots who where there then for failing to fact check.  The group there today has the same fault.  Did not stop them from being idiots back then.  Back then they would not delete or mark invalid TM or FUD.  Even if I provided all the references that it was.  That is why people associated with TM repository I gave up providing links.</p>
<p>Mind you after the insults about my sex origination and other things that happens the last time at TM repository I will take them on at my blog were I can delete anyone doing that. If they agree to get rid of what is not valid or at least mark it as such.  There is lots on there that needs to go.</p>
<p>Clarence Moon<br />
&#8211;The web server product market was almost from its inception dominated by Netscape.&#8211;<br />
Complete lie.<br />
<a href="http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2012/09/10/september-2012-web-server-survey.html" rel="nofollow">http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2012/09/10/september-2012-web-server-survey.html</a></p>
<p>Netcraft has been around before Netsape made a server product.</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NCSA_HTTPd" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NCSA_HTTPd</a> is not Netscape never was.  NCSA dominated for a while but it mostly did not charge either.  NCSA was replace by Apache as HTTPd server of preference.  Happened once Apache had more developers than NCSA and could develop faster.  Critical Mass effect. </p>
<p>Same critical mass effect could happen to Apache HTTPd.  In fact nginx is threatening to.</p>
<p>The reality is Microsoft cannot throw enough resources at IIS to be competitive against Apache.  Times when Microsoft pushes lots money at IIS its market share has grown but Microsoft is unable to maintain that.  At this stage can throw Microsoft enough to be competitive against nginx.  Netscape faced the same problem.</p>
<p>The Critical Mass effect is lethal and its double sided.  Trend setting is one thing.  Having the enough staff behind you to be able to feature beat your competitors is another thing.  You can have the trend.  If you don&#8217;t have the Critical Mass to support the trend you will not profit from it.  The trend will fade away.</p>
<p>Clarence Moon<br />
&#8211;If anyone bought a web server, it was Netscape Enterprise Server and many pundits at the time suggested that Netscape with its seeming lock on web servers and browsers would be the “next Microsoft” and soon put Bill Gates and his wares into the discount bin for a closeout sale.&#8211;</p>
<p>Apparently you read some people who could not do fact checking.  Netscape never got the critical mass to have more full time developers than Microsoft.  </p>
<p>Netscape never got to a dominate location compared to the competition in anything other than browsers.</p>
<p>Clarence Moon<br />
&#8211;Zero dollars, zero market&#8211;<br />
Funny Redhat and IBM do very well from the Web-server market.  Its not a zero market.  There is still a market for support.  You still need to provide product to get that Market.</p>
<p>Thorsten Rahn places like Malaysia have being doing it over over 10 years.  Almost all its government departments are Linux only.  The reality Linux works for lots of roles.  700 out 724 are Linux only.</p>
<p>Thorsten Rahn not to say Linux cannot work better.  Yes there is a big F**K this don&#8217;t work when people start migrating from Windows to Linux base environments.  Due to the incompatibilities.  I have never said that was not the case.  Issue is those incompatibilities are reducing.</p>
<p>Argument that Linux does not work does not hold water.   Or places like Malaysia would have been forced to migrate back.  Only major dispute really is cost of migration.</p>
<p>The 80/20 split does basically hold.  If you look at Malaysia the split goes way past that 96/4 yes 96 percent Linux 4 percent Windows.  That is there government OS split.   So Windows in Malaysia government computers is approaching insignificance.  That percentage has been drifting up over the years they have been running.</p>
<p>This is why I don&#8217;t believe Munich will stop at 80 percent.  The past government migrations suggest it will drift in the director of 95 percent over time.</p>
<p>Result is Linux more dominate inside these governments that complete Linux Migration than what Microsoft is in the General OS market.</p>
<p>Yes if I quote just the percentage from the governments that have got through migration you guys would be pick over and over again if you were not told that the Linux percentage was the Windows number because it will look right.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Pogson</title>
		<link>http://mrpogson.com/2012/09/15/costs-drive-adoption-of-floss-by-government-of-kenya/#comment-96555</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Pogson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Sep 2012 20:54:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[oldman wrote, &lt;em&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;green&quot;&gt;&quot;Way to Go Kenya!&quot;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/em&gt;

The way you twisted facts to your point of view is amazing, oldman. The move was made because Wintel was costing too much. The move was made because the government was convinced FLOSS could do the job. The move was made because the government knows Kenyans can make their own software in cooperation with others around the world and that it will be good software. &lt;a href=&quot;http://tectonic.co.za/?p=2392&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Businesses are also using GNU/Linux&lt;/a&gt; to optimize price/performance.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oldman wrote, <em><font color="green">&#8220;Way to Go Kenya!&#8221;</font></em></p>
<p>The way you twisted facts to your point of view is amazing, oldman. The move was made because Wintel was costing too much. The move was made because the government was convinced FLOSS could do the job. The move was made because the government knows Kenyans can make their own software in cooperation with others around the world and that it will be good software. <a href="http://tectonic.co.za/?p=2392" rel="nofollow">Businesses are also using GNU/Linux</a> to optimize price/performance.</p>
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		<title>By: Clarence Moon</title>
		<link>http://mrpogson.com/2012/09/15/costs-drive-adoption-of-floss-by-government-of-kenya/#comment-96547</link>
		<dc:creator>Clarence Moon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Sep 2012 19:27:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;Also you got it wrong Apache httpd proved that the market does not have to be milk dry before most closed source is destroyed.&lt;/b&gt;

It is unfair and undignified to argue with a moron such as yourself, Mr. O, and I do feel a sense of embarassment doing so, but it is a slow day and you have served up such a monumental example of your lack of understanding that I feel compelled to comment.

The web server product market was almost from its inception dominated by Netscape.  If anyone bought a web server, it was Netscape Enterprise Server and many pundits at the time suggested that Netscape with its seeming lock on web servers and browsers woud be the &quot;next Microsoft&quot; and soon put Bill Gates and his wares into the discount bin for a closeout sale.

History proved differently, though, as Microsoft showed Netscape that it was far easier for Microsoft to provide a browser than it was for Netscape to provide an OS.  Apache only gave Netscape the coup de grace once its principal position was marginalized by IE and windows.  When Netscape departed, all of the money in the system went with it and web servers ceased to be a product market at all.

Zero dollars, zero market, it is as simple as that, although that may be too cerebral for you to understand, Mr. O.  Perhaps if you concentrated on the words just two at a time...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Also you got it wrong Apache httpd proved that the market does not have to be milk dry before most closed source is destroyed.</b></p>
<p>It is unfair and undignified to argue with a moron such as yourself, Mr. O, and I do feel a sense of embarassment doing so, but it is a slow day and you have served up such a monumental example of your lack of understanding that I feel compelled to comment.</p>
<p>The web server product market was almost from its inception dominated by Netscape.  If anyone bought a web server, it was Netscape Enterprise Server and many pundits at the time suggested that Netscape with its seeming lock on web servers and browsers woud be the &#8220;next Microsoft&#8221; and soon put Bill Gates and his wares into the discount bin for a closeout sale.</p>
<p>History proved differently, though, as Microsoft showed Netscape that it was far easier for Microsoft to provide a browser than it was for Netscape to provide an OS.  Apache only gave Netscape the coup de grace once its principal position was marginalized by IE and windows.  When Netscape departed, all of the money in the system went with it and web servers ceased to be a product market at all.</p>
<p>Zero dollars, zero market, it is as simple as that, although that may be too cerebral for you to understand, Mr. O.  Perhaps if you concentrated on the words just two at a time&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: oldman</title>
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		<dc:creator>oldman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Sep 2012 18:58:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Clarence Moon if I wanted recognition I would have facebook and other things. About time you guys grow a brain the reason why you cannot find background information on me is that I don’t care if I disappear from existence.&quot;

&lt;i&gt;entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitate&lt;/i&gt;

The more likely real reason is that the hamster is a   fraud.

BTW Hamster TMR has requested your presence for a discussion. I am sure that you are reading what is said. The question is do you have the balls to man up and take him on?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Clarence Moon if I wanted recognition I would have facebook and other things. About time you guys grow a brain the reason why you cannot find background information on me is that I don’t care if I disappear from existence.&#8221;</p>
<p><i>entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitate</i></p>
<p>The more likely real reason is that the hamster is a   fraud.</p>
<p>BTW Hamster TMR has requested your presence for a discussion. I am sure that you are reading what is said. The question is do you have the balls to man up and take him on?</p>
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