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		<title>By: kozmcrae</title>
		<link>http://mrpogson.com/2012/09/02/christian-schaller-on-desktop-linux/#comment-95574</link>
		<dc:creator>kozmcrae</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2012 12:47:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: oldman</title>
		<link>http://mrpogson.com/2012/09/02/christian-schaller-on-desktop-linux/#comment-95477</link>
		<dc:creator>oldman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2012 18:19:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;We can sort out who “everybody” is later.&quot;

Impressive. 

A true j@ck@ss in action.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;We can sort out who “everybody” is later.&#8221;</p>
<p>Impressive. </p>
<p>A true j@ck@ss in action.</p>
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		<title>By: kozmcrae</title>
		<link>http://mrpogson.com/2012/09/02/christian-schaller-on-desktop-linux/#comment-95461</link>
		<dc:creator>kozmcrae</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2012 15:21:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[iLia wrote:

&quot;Everybody does it.&quot;

Your Honor, my client, Ted Bundy, would plead that he is not guilty of murdering dozens of women because, &quot;many other serial killers have done the same thing before him&quot;.  That nonsense is basically the same as your nonsense.

No iLia, &quot;Everybody does it.&quot; doesn&#039;t fly.  All that means is that f*cking &quot;everybody&quot; is f*cking guilty!

We can sort out who &quot;everybody&quot; is later.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>iLia wrote:</p>
<p>&#8220;Everybody does it.&#8221;</p>
<p>Your Honor, my client, Ted Bundy, would plead that he is not guilty of murdering dozens of women because, &#8220;many other serial killers have done the same thing before him&#8221;.  That nonsense is basically the same as your nonsense.</p>
<p>No iLia, &#8220;Everybody does it.&#8221; doesn&#8217;t fly.  All that means is that f*cking &#8220;everybody&#8221; is f*cking guilty!</p>
<p>We can sort out who &#8220;everybody&#8221; is later.</p>
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		<title>By: Thorsten Rahn</title>
		<link>http://mrpogson.com/2012/09/02/christian-schaller-on-desktop-linux/#comment-95418</link>
		<dc:creator>Thorsten Rahn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2012 05:40:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;cite&gt;Linux world accepts when they screw up from time to time. Microsoft tries to sweep it under carpet.&lt;/cite&gt;

That&#039;s complete nonsense. There isn&#039;t any more acceptance in the Linux world. It&#039;s rather the case that the screw-up has been declared normal by the constant reference to open development processes (public source code access, public mailing lists etc.). The suggestion is that screw-ups basically can&#039;t happen because the development processes are open, and someone else will catch any screw-up very soon, precisely because the processes are open.

So the Linux world has, in fact, a much bigger carpet where things can be swept under. Because if screw-ups happen, they can&#039;t have been anyone&#039;s fault, as everything happened publicly. Incidentally, the many-eyes-hypothesis is soundly defeated by the mere fact that screw-ups still happen in the Linux world. The whole openness is a mighty fine way to hide screw-ups.

And there&#039;s another big problem: in the Linux world screw-ups, however big or small, seldom have real consequences.

It&#039;s just another example of amazing self-delusion.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><cite>Linux world accepts when they screw up from time to time. Microsoft tries to sweep it under carpet.</cite></p>
<p>That&#8217;s complete nonsense. There isn&#8217;t any more acceptance in the Linux world. It&#8217;s rather the case that the screw-up has been declared normal by the constant reference to open development processes (public source code access, public mailing lists etc.). The suggestion is that screw-ups basically can&#8217;t happen because the development processes are open, and someone else will catch any screw-up very soon, precisely because the processes are open.</p>
<p>So the Linux world has, in fact, a much bigger carpet where things can be swept under. Because if screw-ups happen, they can&#8217;t have been anyone&#8217;s fault, as everything happened publicly. Incidentally, the many-eyes-hypothesis is soundly defeated by the mere fact that screw-ups still happen in the Linux world. The whole openness is a mighty fine way to hide screw-ups.</p>
<p>And there&#8217;s another big problem: in the Linux world screw-ups, however big or small, seldom have real consequences.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s just another example of amazing self-delusion.</p>
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		<title>By: iLia</title>
		<link>http://mrpogson.com/2012/09/02/christian-schaller-on-desktop-linux/#comment-95413</link>
		<dc:creator>iLia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2012 04:47:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;FOSS just does not hide this reality from the world under fancy people called marketers.&lt;/b&gt;

These are called FLOSS zealots.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>FOSS just does not hide this reality from the world under fancy people called marketers.</b></p>
<p>These are called FLOSS zealots.</p>
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		<title>By: iLia</title>
		<link>http://mrpogson.com/2012/09/02/christian-schaller-on-desktop-linux/#comment-95412</link>
		<dc:creator>iLia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2012 04:44:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;As a matter of fact, Microsoft loves to break standards&lt;/b&gt;

Everybody does it, when some company or community implements some standard, they usually extend it a little bit, and thus break compatibility with other products, you wanna some examples? No problem! GNU compilers with their extensions, &lt;a href=&quot;http://wiki.gnustep.org/index.php/Writing_portable_code#Porting_from_Cocoa_or_OPENSTEP_.28NS.2A.29_to_GNUstep&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;GNUStep&lt;/a&gt; and I can continue ad nauseum, everybody does it, even Linux distributions.


FOSS just does not hide this reality from the world under fancy people called marketers.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>As a matter of fact, Microsoft loves to break standards</b></p>
<p>Everybody does it, when some company or community implements some standard, they usually extend it a little bit, and thus break compatibility with other products, you wanna some examples? No problem! GNU compilers with their extensions, <a href="http://wiki.gnustep.org/index.php/Writing_portable_code#Porting_from_Cocoa_or_OPENSTEP_.28NS.2A.29_to_GNUstep" rel="nofollow">GNUStep</a> and I can continue ad nauseum, everybody does it, even Linux distributions.</p>
<p>FOSS just does not hide this reality from the world under fancy people called marketers.</p>
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		<title>By: oiaohm</title>
		<link>http://mrpogson.com/2012/09/02/christian-schaller-on-desktop-linux/#comment-95408</link>
		<dc:creator>oiaohm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2012 02:51:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[oldman &quot;Remember Hamster, under the Volume and Select license agreements I have access to iso images of so clalled obsolete versions of windows along with downgrade rights to any version of windows that I wish – I only need to make sure that I have a license that is a close equivalent to what I am downgrading to (e.g. a windows 8 ultimate license can be downgraded to windows 7 ultimate or below).&quot;

The plan is simple.  You want to run current and prior you deploy 2 license per machine.   Either way Microsoft is still paid.  They don&#039;t lose doing this evil.  At worst they get more money.  Microsoft will play it under the security card.

oldman
--So we stay put and scream like hell, and being the paying customers Microsoft will listen, and will “accommodate user feedback”--
They have given you 4 years notice+.  You scream like hell you still have to pay them if you stay Microsoft.  Only those who sections of thee desktop are Linux will be able to get MS attention in any way shape or form.

oldman
--And the linux desktop will STILL go nowhere!--

When will you give this up.  You cannot have repeated reported migrations that complete and remain in usage and it be go nowhere.  Logic does not allow it oldman.  As an IT officer you should know logic well but when it comes to Linux Desktop you seam to be lack it.

The pace might be slow but there is movement.  Linux Desktop is with question moving.  All the evidence to the fact shows it.

Lots of thing you say oldman have no logical base to them.  They are your own bias options.

iLia 
&quot;lacking guilt — debian-openssl? So what?&quot;
You better look at Microsoft for this one.  MD5 cracked years ago.  Windows update system still using it.  Debian openssl was a build error.  Microsoft provide encryption services have also done the same.

Really if I spent my time on Psychopathy I could make a list for Microsoft as well.  Most businesses are Psychopathy at core.  FOSS just does not hide this reality from the world under fancy people called marketers.

Linux world accepts when they screw up from time to time.  Microsoft tries to sweep it under carpet.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oldman &#8220;Remember Hamster, under the Volume and Select license agreements I have access to iso images of so clalled obsolete versions of windows along with downgrade rights to any version of windows that I wish – I only need to make sure that I have a license that is a close equivalent to what I am downgrading to (e.g. a windows 8 ultimate license can be downgraded to windows 7 ultimate or below).&#8221;</p>
<p>The plan is simple.  You want to run current and prior you deploy 2 license per machine.   Either way Microsoft is still paid.  They don&#8217;t lose doing this evil.  At worst they get more money.  Microsoft will play it under the security card.</p>
<p>oldman<br />
&#8211;So we stay put and scream like hell, and being the paying customers Microsoft will listen, and will “accommodate user feedback”&#8211;<br />
They have given you 4 years notice+.  You scream like hell you still have to pay them if you stay Microsoft.  Only those who sections of thee desktop are Linux will be able to get MS attention in any way shape or form.</p>
<p>oldman<br />
&#8211;And the linux desktop will STILL go nowhere!&#8211;</p>
<p>When will you give this up.  You cannot have repeated reported migrations that complete and remain in usage and it be go nowhere.  Logic does not allow it oldman.  As an IT officer you should know logic well but when it comes to Linux Desktop you seam to be lack it.</p>
<p>The pace might be slow but there is movement.  Linux Desktop is with question moving.  All the evidence to the fact shows it.</p>
<p>Lots of thing you say oldman have no logical base to them.  They are your own bias options.</p>
<p>iLia<br />
&#8220;lacking guilt — debian-openssl? So what?&#8221;<br />
You better look at Microsoft for this one.  MD5 cracked years ago.  Windows update system still using it.  Debian openssl was a build error.  Microsoft provide encryption services have also done the same.</p>
<p>Really if I spent my time on Psychopathy I could make a list for Microsoft as well.  Most businesses are Psychopathy at core.  FOSS just does not hide this reality from the world under fancy people called marketers.</p>
<p>Linux world accepts when they screw up from time to time.  Microsoft tries to sweep it under carpet.</p>
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		<title>By: kozmcrae</title>
		<link>http://mrpogson.com/2012/09/02/christian-schaller-on-desktop-linux/#comment-95399</link>
		<dc:creator>kozmcrae</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2012 00:11:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thorsten Rahn wrote:

&quot;If you think that then you don’t understand Robert Pogson at all. This blog is about two things:...&quot;

The problem you face Thorsten is that Microsoft supplies a never ending list of anti social, anti competitive and downright nasty acts against the World.  

As a matter of fact, Microsoft loves to break standards.  That just creates a terrible mess for everybody.  As a matter of fact, Microsoft has used its position in the PC market to kill competitors products (Netscape, Word Perfect).  

Reporting these aggressions against the World may look like hate to someone like you.  And you can&#039;t just call it business as usual unless you call convicted monopolist usual.

Now I&#039;ll offer my opinion.  Microsoft is a huge company with a lot of power, money, influence and an inferiority complex.  That&#039;s a bad  combination.  They&#039;ve always been able to buy their way into the public&#039;s heart.  Microsoft has spent more on marketing than on technology.  Only one out of nine employees are actual coders.  Buying their way to success instead of winning it through better technology must have left a hollow ring to it.

The hype for Windows 8 has already started as I have predicted.  Not much of a prediction really.  This is Microsoft&#039;s marketing machine by the book.  The rave reviews will increase as the release date approaches.  Then we will see a huge spike in sales/installations.  Possibly even the biggest release of a Microsoft OS since Windows 95!  It will look fantastic... on paper.

I have no doubts that Microsoft has already cooked the books to ensure a good quarter for the release of Windows 8 no matter what actually happens.  But slowly, inevitably, the rot will sink in.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thorsten Rahn wrote:</p>
<p>&#8220;If you think that then you don’t understand Robert Pogson at all. This blog is about two things:&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>The problem you face Thorsten is that Microsoft supplies a never ending list of anti social, anti competitive and downright nasty acts against the World.  </p>
<p>As a matter of fact, Microsoft loves to break standards.  That just creates a terrible mess for everybody.  As a matter of fact, Microsoft has used its position in the PC market to kill competitors products (Netscape, Word Perfect).  </p>
<p>Reporting these aggressions against the World may look like hate to someone like you.  And you can&#8217;t just call it business as usual unless you call convicted monopolist usual.</p>
<p>Now I&#8217;ll offer my opinion.  Microsoft is a huge company with a lot of power, money, influence and an inferiority complex.  That&#8217;s a bad  combination.  They&#8217;ve always been able to buy their way into the public&#8217;s heart.  Microsoft has spent more on marketing than on technology.  Only one out of nine employees are actual coders.  Buying their way to success instead of winning it through better technology must have left a hollow ring to it.</p>
<p>The hype for Windows 8 has already started as I have predicted.  Not much of a prediction really.  This is Microsoft&#8217;s marketing machine by the book.  The rave reviews will increase as the release date approaches.  Then we will see a huge spike in sales/installations.  Possibly even the biggest release of a Microsoft OS since Windows 95!  It will look fantastic&#8230; on paper.</p>
<p>I have no doubts that Microsoft has already cooked the books to ensure a good quarter for the release of Windows 8 no matter what actually happens.  But slowly, inevitably, the rot will sink in.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Pogson</title>
		<link>http://mrpogson.com/2012/09/02/christian-schaller-on-desktop-linux/#comment-95394</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Pogson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2012 21:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thorsten Rahn confuses motivation with subject matter when he wrote, &lt;em&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;green&quot;&gt;&quot;This blog is about two things:

1. Hating Microsoft.
2. Proving that Linux is better everywhere and for everyone.&quot;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/em&gt;

Hatred of M$ is just one of many motivators. All my life, before M$ even existed, I have strived to find better ways/technology to do things. I am a technological sponge and GNU/Linux and FLOSS are just two of dozens of technologies I have encountered and love. Other technologies about which I am passionate are photography, firearms, ammunition, hunting, welding, electronics, growing stuff, cooking and eating stuff, ... M$ is a tiny part of my world these days.

GNU/Linux is provably pretty good and great for many purposes like IT in schools and I can&#039;t think of any place where GNU/Linux is not good but there may well be some niches where some other software may be better. The wide adoption of GNU/Linux in every area of IT supports the hypothesis that GNU/Linux is excellent. The lack of adoption on the desktop is due to many factors, most of which have nothing to do with suitability but anti-competitive behaviours of M$ and &quot;partners&quot;. GNU/Linux thrives in many countries and regions and activities on a global scale.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thorsten Rahn confuses motivation with subject matter when he wrote, <em><font color="green">&#8220;This blog is about two things:</p>
<p>1. Hating Microsoft.<br />
2. Proving that Linux is better everywhere and for everyone.&#8221;</font></em></p>
<p>Hatred of M$ is just one of many motivators. All my life, before M$ even existed, I have strived to find better ways/technology to do things. I am a technological sponge and GNU/Linux and FLOSS are just two of dozens of technologies I have encountered and love. Other technologies about which I am passionate are photography, firearms, ammunition, hunting, welding, electronics, growing stuff, cooking and eating stuff, &#8230; M$ is a tiny part of my world these days.</p>
<p>GNU/Linux is provably pretty good and great for many purposes like IT in schools and I can&#8217;t think of any place where GNU/Linux is not good but there may well be some niches where some other software may be better. The wide adoption of GNU/Linux in every area of IT supports the hypothesis that GNU/Linux is excellent. The lack of adoption on the desktop is due to many factors, most of which have nothing to do with suitability but anti-competitive behaviours of M$ and &#8220;partners&#8221;. GNU/Linux thrives in many countries and regions and activities on a global scale.</p>
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		<title>By: Thorsten Rahn</title>
		<link>http://mrpogson.com/2012/09/02/christian-schaller-on-desktop-linux/#comment-95388</link>
		<dc:creator>Thorsten Rahn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2012 19:05:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;cite&gt;The primary focus of the dialog on this blog seems to be where the market is with regard to both platforms and where it is going.&lt;/cite&gt;

If you think that then you don&#039;t understand Robert Pogson at all. This blog is about two things:

1. Hating Microsoft.
2. Proving that Linux is better everywhere and for everyone.

That goes directly against your statement that &quot;[t]here are problems with both platforms&quot;. After you&#039;ve read Robert Pogson&#039;s posts you can&#039;t help but get the impression that Linux has no problems, Windows has all the problems, and that Microsoft belongs to the axis of evil together with North Korea. Every accusation against Linux on this blog -- however justified -- is quickly and swiftly dismissed by the local FLOSS police.

You saying that &quot;[t]here are problems with both platforms&quot; is just hot air. It&#039;s the kind of alibi statement one does make if one wants to suggest willingness to compromise.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><cite>The primary focus of the dialog on this blog seems to be where the market is with regard to both platforms and where it is going.</cite></p>
<p>If you think that then you don&#8217;t understand Robert Pogson at all. This blog is about two things:</p>
<p>1. Hating Microsoft.<br />
2. Proving that Linux is better everywhere and for everyone.</p>
<p>That goes directly against your statement that &#8220;[t]here are problems with both platforms&#8221;. After you&#8217;ve read Robert Pogson&#8217;s posts you can&#8217;t help but get the impression that Linux has no problems, Windows has all the problems, and that Microsoft belongs to the axis of evil together with North Korea. Every accusation against Linux on this blog &#8212; however justified &#8212; is quickly and swiftly dismissed by the local FLOSS police.</p>
<p>You saying that &#8220;[t]here are problems with both platforms&#8221; is just hot air. It&#8217;s the kind of alibi statement one does make if one wants to suggest willingness to compromise.</p>
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