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		<title>By: oiaohm</title>
		<link>http://mrpogson.com/2012/08/30/pc-oems-in-revolt-against-m/#comment-95121</link>
		<dc:creator>oiaohm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Sep 2012 11:59:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[kurkosdr can you run Ubuntu with Pulseaudio removed if you have some application that does not like it.  Yes you can.

PulseAudio seams bad until you wake up they did way 6 other totally incompatible sound servers that were desktop environment sensitive when they introduced Pulseaudio.  Artsd from KDE 3.5 and esound from Gnome of the time.  Now that was a true prick.  Load a KDE application it wants artsd load Gnome app it wanted esound and neither would play with each other since both nicked the audio interfaces and did not give it back.

Lot of breaks in Linux are truly improvements cleaning out the crud.  After Pulseaudio artsd and esound basically died.

kurkosdr
&quot;And yeah, the dudes behind most distros distros DID intentionally break their systems with PulseAudio, but being neckbeards, it didn’t bother them much.&quot;

Basically how do you break something that basically does not work anyhow due to massive conflict problems.

The I got too many sound server problem existed before Linux was born.

Even Pulseaudio idea in my eyes is flawed.

Should point something out critical kurkosdr visit Linux Standard Base some time and notice most of the stuff that broke could not operate with generic ALSA.  Not using a stable ABI.  There are stable ABI&#039;s on Linux.

There are ABI&#039;s formally stable.  At times the people you call neckbeards don&#039;t care for 1 reason kurkosdr the ABI in particular areas is unstable know to be so.  Portable applications should not depend on unstable parts.  So all effected applications should be shipped by the distribution.  Third parties should not use these libraries.

Guess what Third Parties break rules then cry about the fall out.

Same with close source drivers.  Linux developers could forbid it tell closed source developers only to use particular API.  There are some ABI under Linux kernel that don&#039;t have the linking allowance closed source drivers don&#039;t touch those.

The broken kernel space between kernels does limit attack vectors.

Ted Munich migration has a perception problem when you look at the figures it has been all positive.  But you have 1000~ of trolls who spread that Munich was costing too much.  The myth will fade way.  Problem is the myth always remains for a fair while.

I normally use the French police example you don&#039;t have confused people around that one.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>kurkosdr can you run Ubuntu with Pulseaudio removed if you have some application that does not like it.  Yes you can.</p>
<p>PulseAudio seams bad until you wake up they did way 6 other totally incompatible sound servers that were desktop environment sensitive when they introduced Pulseaudio.  Artsd from KDE 3.5 and esound from Gnome of the time.  Now that was a true prick.  Load a KDE application it wants artsd load Gnome app it wanted esound and neither would play with each other since both nicked the audio interfaces and did not give it back.</p>
<p>Lot of breaks in Linux are truly improvements cleaning out the crud.  After Pulseaudio artsd and esound basically died.</p>
<p>kurkosdr<br />
&#8220;And yeah, the dudes behind most distros distros DID intentionally break their systems with PulseAudio, but being neckbeards, it didn’t bother them much.&#8221;</p>
<p>Basically how do you break something that basically does not work anyhow due to massive conflict problems.</p>
<p>The I got too many sound server problem existed before Linux was born.</p>
<p>Even Pulseaudio idea in my eyes is flawed.</p>
<p>Should point something out critical kurkosdr visit Linux Standard Base some time and notice most of the stuff that broke could not operate with generic ALSA.  Not using a stable ABI.  There are stable ABI&#8217;s on Linux.</p>
<p>There are ABI&#8217;s formally stable.  At times the people you call neckbeards don&#8217;t care for 1 reason kurkosdr the ABI in particular areas is unstable know to be so.  Portable applications should not depend on unstable parts.  So all effected applications should be shipped by the distribution.  Third parties should not use these libraries.</p>
<p>Guess what Third Parties break rules then cry about the fall out.</p>
<p>Same with close source drivers.  Linux developers could forbid it tell closed source developers only to use particular API.  There are some ABI under Linux kernel that don&#8217;t have the linking allowance closed source drivers don&#8217;t touch those.</p>
<p>The broken kernel space between kernels does limit attack vectors.</p>
<p>Ted Munich migration has a perception problem when you look at the figures it has been all positive.  But you have 1000~ of trolls who spread that Munich was costing too much.  The myth will fade way.  Problem is the myth always remains for a fair while.</p>
<p>I normally use the French police example you don&#8217;t have confused people around that one.</p>
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		<title>By: JR</title>
		<link>http://mrpogson.com/2012/08/30/pc-oems-in-revolt-against-m/#comment-95101</link>
		<dc:creator>JR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Sep 2012 06:11:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@ Clarence Moon

Another perspective on tablets:

http://betanews.com/2011/02/21/ipad-is-not-a-pc/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Clarence Moon</p>
<p>Another perspective on tablets:</p>
<p><a href="http://betanews.com/2011/02/21/ipad-is-not-a-pc/" rel="nofollow">http://betanews.com/2011/02/21/ipad-is-not-a-pc/</a></p>
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		<title>By: JR</title>
		<link>http://mrpogson.com/2012/08/30/pc-oems-in-revolt-against-m/#comment-95080</link>
		<dc:creator>JR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Sep 2012 21:28:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@ Clarence Moon

My humble apologies I must have missed that prediction but as far as I can understand, this post if I read it correctly, is about tablets.

In fact if you read the article on that site they talk of windows RT tablet PC&#039;s which as far as I know are powered by an ARM based cpu.

http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20120830PD211.html

Perhaps I am confusing the definition.

Maybe of interest:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tablet_computer
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tablet_PC

Anyway again my humble apologies if I was off topic.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Clarence Moon</p>
<p>My humble apologies I must have missed that prediction but as far as I can understand, this post if I read it correctly, is about tablets.</p>
<p>In fact if you read the article on that site they talk of windows RT tablet PC&#8217;s which as far as I know are powered by an ARM based cpu.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20120830PD211.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20120830PD211.html</a></p>
<p>Perhaps I am confusing the definition.</p>
<p>Maybe of interest:</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tablet_computer" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tablet_computer</a><br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tablet_PC" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tablet_PC</a></p>
<p>Anyway again my humble apologies if I was off topic.</p>
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		<title>By: ch</title>
		<link>http://mrpogson.com/2012/08/30/pc-oems-in-revolt-against-m/#comment-95075</link>
		<dc:creator>ch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Sep 2012 19:59:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;honestly I really did not know that the Linux developers intentionally broke their system just to piss off their users, especially you.&quot;

It seems some devs actually like to break CS/binary stuff out of principle. Others just don&#039;t give a shit:
http://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=4980

And sometimes things are just plain messy:
http://lwn.net/Articles/299093/

No, they are not actually after users - it&#039;s just that the result of what they do all too often pisses users of.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;honestly I really did not know that the Linux developers intentionally broke their system just to piss off their users, especially you.&#8221;</p>
<p>It seems some devs actually like to break CS/binary stuff out of principle. Others just don&#8217;t give a shit:<br />
<a href="http://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=4980" rel="nofollow">http://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=4980</a></p>
<p>And sometimes things are just plain messy:<br />
<a href="http://lwn.net/Articles/299093/" rel="nofollow">http://lwn.net/Articles/299093/</a></p>
<p>No, they are not actually after users &#8211; it&#8217;s just that the result of what they do all too often pisses users of.</p>
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		<title>By: Clarence Moon</title>
		<link>http://mrpogson.com/2012/08/30/pc-oems-in-revolt-against-m/#comment-95068</link>
		<dc:creator>Clarence Moon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Sep 2012 19:00:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;As far as I know MS will be selling it’s Windows RT version of the surface tablet running an Nvida Tegra 3 chip which is based on the ARM architecture, not to mention that other company you are so fond of.&lt;/b&gt;

The Surface product is a tablet, not a PC.  Mr. Pogson&#039;s prediction was for PCs with ARM processors running &quot;Gnu/Linux&quot;.  Get a better understanding of the topic before you chime in!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>As far as I know MS will be selling it’s Windows RT version of the surface tablet running an Nvida Tegra 3 chip which is based on the ARM architecture, not to mention that other company you are so fond of.</b></p>
<p>The Surface product is a tablet, not a PC.  Mr. Pogson&#8217;s prediction was for PCs with ARM processors running &#8220;Gnu/Linux&#8221;.  Get a better understanding of the topic before you chime in!</p>
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		<title>By: dougman</title>
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		<dc:creator>dougman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Sep 2012 18:00:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Debian is solid as rocks, Ubuntu is derived from it and of which Mint derives from Ubuntu.

kurkosdr, why are you screaming and hating your coursework?  I visited your site and could not find any reference of Debian or Linux, just Sun and PCs.

The Grad and Undergrad coursework looks well balanced for a CS degree.

Also, as Greece is nearing bankruptcy, I doubt they could afford M$ expensive software anyways.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Debian is solid as rocks, Ubuntu is derived from it and of which Mint derives from Ubuntu.</p>
<p>kurkosdr, why are you screaming and hating your coursework?  I visited your site and could not find any reference of Debian or Linux, just Sun and PCs.</p>
<p>The Grad and Undergrad coursework looks well balanced for a CS degree.</p>
<p>Also, as Greece is nearing bankruptcy, I doubt they could afford M$ expensive software anyways.</p>
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		<title>By: JR</title>
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		<dc:creator>JR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Sep 2012 17:59:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@ kurkosdr

Tell me are you doing computer science for your degree or are just doing a course in computer literacy?

For what it is worth I am genuinely interested.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ kurkosdr</p>
<p>Tell me are you doing computer science for your degree or are just doing a course in computer literacy?</p>
<p>For what it is worth I am genuinely interested.</p>
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		<title>By: kozmcrae</title>
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		<dc:creator>kozmcrae</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Sep 2012 17:55:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[kurkosdr wrote:

&quot;...but being neckbeards, it didn’t bother them much.&quot;

Ah yes, the neck beards.  Where would we be without them?: http://archive.computerhistory.org/resources/still-image/Microsoft/Microsoft.early_group_photograph.102618837.lg.jpg

Please note, the scrawny guy on the lower left, being short on testosterone, couldn&#039;t grow one.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>kurkosdr wrote:</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;but being neckbeards, it didn’t bother them much.&#8221;</p>
<p>Ah yes, the neck beards.  Where would we be without them?: <a href="http://archive.computerhistory.org/resources/still-image/Microsoft/Microsoft.early_group_photograph.102618837.lg.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://archive.computerhistory.org/resources/still-image/Microsoft/Microsoft.early_group_photograph.102618837.lg.jpg</a></p>
<p>Please note, the scrawny guy on the lower left, being short on testosterone, couldn&#8217;t grow one.</p>
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		<title>By: kurkosdr</title>
		<link>http://mrpogson.com/2012/08/30/pc-oems-in-revolt-against-m/#comment-95057</link>
		<dc:creator>kurkosdr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Sep 2012 17:39:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And yeah, the dudes behind most distros distros DID intentionally break their systems with PulseAudio, but being neckbeards, it didn&#039;t bother them much. &quot;Look at me I have the latest bleeding edge code, nothing works but I have the latest bleeding edge code!&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And yeah, the dudes behind most distros distros DID intentionally break their systems with PulseAudio, but being neckbeards, it didn&#8217;t bother them much. &#8220;Look at me I have the latest bleeding edge code, nothing works but I have the latest bleeding edge code!&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: kurkosdr</title>
		<link>http://mrpogson.com/2012/08/30/pc-oems-in-revolt-against-m/#comment-95056</link>
		<dc:creator>kurkosdr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Sep 2012 17:34:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;In fact if you hate linux so much why not just move on and get on with your life I am sure you will be a lot happier. &quot;

The university I am in (cs.uoi.gr) forces me to use Debian in the lab computers. I hate it and I must scream...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;In fact if you hate linux so much why not just move on and get on with your life I am sure you will be a lot happier. &#8221;</p>
<p>The university I am in (cs.uoi.gr) forces me to use Debian in the lab computers. I hate it and I must scream&#8230;</p>
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