http://ganttproject.blogspot.de/search/label/faq#!/2012/07/ganttproject-brno-first-beta.html

They are already adding zero-duration milestones in version 2.6 ?! Amateur stuff.

Please name one with the same functionality as a halfways-current version of Visio. Hint: Don’t suggest Dia or OOo/LO Draw. Really don’t suggest Kivio. And if you mention yed, I’ll crawl through the cable to your place and throttle you, swear I will!

“MS Project is replaced by ganttproject”

Just because software XYZ can read and write the file format of software ABC doesn’t mean XYZ is a replacement for ABC.

You need to do that list list.

MS Visio opens in Libreoffice by the way this is a recent addition so letting its conversion. There are a lot of options to replace Visio if you not needing to access Visio file format.

MS Project is replaced by ganttproject both use the same file format in fact just one is cross platform one is not. ganttproject is quite a long maintained open source program. Again there is a lot of things that can be used to replace MS Project as well if you don’t need MS Project compatibility
For example
http://www.sugarcrm.com/feature/project-and-activity-management
Advantage this one can be costing the project and billing the cost to end user as you go.

Lot of general admin staff all the software they need Linux has.

So ch you need to delete MS Visio and MS Project from the list of complex application Linux does not have. Linux has replacements to both in spades and some end up suiting the business way better like sugercrm that can join up costing and project management fully.

The list of application Linux does not have is getting shorter ch.

–My current PC is too slow to run my [pirated] copy of PS with Wine, but if you released a Linux version I would like totally buy it!–
Bad quote and I will tell you why. Legal copy of Photoshop will not run in Wine. You have to break the copy protection in latter versions.

So a lot on Linux user would buy Photoshop is Adobe fixed their activation so it worked in wine.

Ch I don’t know where Adobe is going with flash. I would be suspect that time is number for Flash on Windows with IE or Firefox as well.

OK, so you’re playing dumb. Yes, I’m referring to
- Adobe Photoshop
- Adobe Illustrator
- Adobe InDesign
- MS Visio
- MS Project
- Steinberg Cubase
and so on, and so on.

“2.5 developers?”

That’s what they said not so long ago (last year, IIRC): After one of them had left, they were down to 2.5 main developers. Their website lists two maintainers:
http://www.gimp.org/team.html

and a lot of others who are “Contributing patches, fixes, plugins, extensions, scripts and other improvements to the code for GIMP 2.6.” – in other words, everybody who contributed a single line or so. What they don’t have is a single Windows-based developer:
http://www.gimp.org/
(second entry currently)

“Novell, a company taken over by M$”

Sigh. Can’t you get anything right? They were taken over by Attachmate, not MS.

“Using FLOSS one can still get paid”

For developing desktop applications? Rarely. The few existing exceptions just prove the rule.

“I use it 24/7 and get paid”

FYI: using != developing

“Linux is hostile?”

Towards commercial, CS applications: Yes. It’s easy to write CS applications for Windows, and MS will help you where possible (e.g. with decades of backwards compatibility). Apple is a bit shorter on backwards compatibility, but otherwise ist’s easy, too. Just maintaining Flash Player across various distros, with stuff breaking in every other version, was too costly for Adobe.

“I know of a few graphic designers and marketing types that would certainly pay the money for Creative Suite, if Adobe released a Linux version.”

Someone willing to actually pay for CS is typically professional enough to run it on Windows or Mac OS and be done with it. Linux – thanks to missing standardisation, further fractioning it’s minuskule market share – is too expensive to develop CS for.

https://getsatisfaction.com/adobe/topics/produce_creative_suite_for_linux

Yes, Adobe considered that – and decided against it, for some reasons. (My favorite was the one guy who actually wrote a comment on Adobe’s site that ammounted to: “My current PC is too slow to run my [pirated] copy of PS with Wine, but if you released a Linux version I would like totally buy it!”)

“In reality, I think it would sour the relationship between Adobe and M$ if that were to happen”

Yeah, sure, and MS is totally punishing Adobe because they release stuff for Mac OS, too.

Which complex desktop applications?

That’s why the GIMP, with its 2 1/2 developers, can’t hold a candle even to PS Elements.

2.5 developers? Opening GIMP and clicking on the About tab, one will find the following names:

Spencer Kimball
Peter Mattis
Nicola Archibald
Luis Barrancos
Hans Breuer
Simon Budig
João S. O. Bueno
Lars-Peter Clausen
Kevin Cozens
Michael Deal
Alexia Death
Daniel Eddeland
Ulf-D. Ehlert
David Gowers
Marcus Heese
Daniel Hornung
Barak Itkin
Róman Joost
Geert Jordaens
Aurimas Juška
Øyvind Kolås
Tom Lechner
Tor Lillqvist
Luidnel Maignan
John Marshall
Michael Natterer
Sven Neumann
Martin Nordholts
Ville Pätsi
Raphaël Quinet
Dennis Ranke
Michael Schumacher
Peter Sikking
Jernej Simončič
Manish Singh
William Skaggs
Jakub Steiner

That’s why OOo/LO was created as a commercial product.

Eh? It’s is interesting that Novell, a company taken over by M$, is actively attempting to sell something that’s free, with some sort of subscription license. The highlights mentioned are spot on, whereas people that show up on this blog, attempt to say otherwise.

http://www.novell.com/products/libreoffice/
- 1 Year Basic Maintenance – Subscription – $50.00
- 1 Year Standard Support – Subscription – $120.00

http://www.libreoffice.org/

Developers who are capable of doing such stuff typically want to be paid, and with FLOSS that’s generally pretty hard, a few exceptions none withstanding.

Using FLOSS one can still get paid, I use it 24/7 and get paid, as do millions of others on the planet.

Theoretically, commercial developers could fill those gaps, but Linux is pretty much a hostile territory for them.

Linux is hostile? I have read more griping coming from Apple and M$ developers in the past two years, then I care to admit. The beauty of Android and Linux is I can take a stock distribution and do whatever I want with it, try that with the others.

That’s why Adobe won’t port its CS to Linux.

Then, Adobe is really missing out on some revenue, I know of a few graphic designers and marketing types that would certainly pay the money for Creative Suite, if Adobe released a Linux version.

https://getsatisfaction.com/adobe/topics/produce_creative_suite_for_linux

In reality, I think it would sour the relationship between Adobe and M$ if that were to happen, besides I would rather pay money to purchase Linux software rather then paying tax to Microsoft.

Great comment, thanks.

On my system:
“pogson@beast:~/Downloads$ dpkg –get-selections|grep mono
nothing”

One point MdI makes is that .NET is a sweet development platform because it helps programmers be more productive but that’s just a euphemism for digging Wintel dependence faster. Oh, the bloat!

He is just mad that M$ never hired him and that no one likes Mono.

I decided to purge mono from a stock Ubuntu install and see what came up, notice the four references to M$.

sudo apt-get purge libmono* libgdiplus cli-common libglitz-glx1 libglitz1

Reading package lists… Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information… Done
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Note, selecting libmono-addins-gui-cil-dev for regex ‘libmono*’
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Note, selecting libmono-microsoft-visualbasic8.0-cil for regex ‘libmono*’
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Note, selecting libmono-oracle2.0-cil for regex ‘libmono*’
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Note, selecting libmono-addins0.2-cil for regex ‘libmono*’
Note, selecting libmono-uia-winforms1.0-cil for regex ‘libmono*’
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Note, selecting libmono-cil-dev for regex ‘libmono*’
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The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required:
libsqlite0 python-mmkeys python-mutagen python-cddb
Use ‘apt-get autoremove’ to remove them.
The following packages will be REMOVED:
cli-common* giver* gnome-rdp* libart2.0-cil* libavahi1.0-cil* libdbus-glib1.0-cil* libdbus1.0-cil* libgconf2.0-cil* libgdiplus* libglade2.0-cil* libglib2.0-cil* libglib2.0-cil-dev* libglitz-glx1*
libglitz1* libgmime2.4-cil* libgnome-keyring1.0-cil* libgnome-vfs2.0-cil* libgnome2.24-cil* libgnomepanel2.24-cil* libgtk2.0-cil* liblaunchpad-integration1.0-cil* libmono-addins-gui0.2-cil*
libmono-addins0.2-cil* libmono-cairo2.0-cil* libmono-corlib2.0-cil* libmono-data-tds2.0-cil* libmono-i18n-west2.0-cil* libmono-posix2.0-cil* libmono-security2.0-cil* libmono-sharpzip2.84-cil*
libmono-sqlite2.0-cil* libmono-system-data2.0-cil* libmono-system2.0-cil* libndesk-dbus-glib1.0-cil* libndesk-dbus1.0-cil* libnotify0.4-cil* libvte0.16-cil* mono-2.0-gac* mono-gac* mono-gmcs*
mono-runtime* tomboy*

No. Just no. As has been pointed out to you time and again, there are a lot of apllications available for Windows and Mac OS that don’t have equivalents on Linux. And there’s a reason for that: The lack of “someone” willing and capable to write the missing stuff.

The FLOSS model of SW development is great for some stuff – especially small tools – but unsuited for other areas, like complex desktop applications. That’s why the GIMP, with its 2 1/2 developers, can’t hold a candle even to PS Elements. That’s why OOo/LO was created as a commercial product. Developers who are capable of doing such stuff typically want to be paid, and with FLOSS that’s generally pretty hard, a few exceptions nonewithstanding.

Theoretically, commercial developers could fill those gaps, but Linux is pretty much a hostile territory for them. That’s why Adobe won’t port its CS to Linux.

“Awesome, Rob! Conspiracy theories are a favorite pastime at the Dr. Roy Schestowitz self-help group meetings.”

You’ll have to include Miguel de Icaza in that conspiracy. He’s totally up front about being infatuated with everything Microsoft. He loves the company and everything about it.

No. I describe an OS with many major problems and issues that its developers will not fix because they’re hard work instead of fun, and whose cheerleader squad will attack anyone who points out the Emperor has no clothes. Or even just dare to suggest things could be improved.

“oldman does. He uses it to massage data for reporting.”

There’s an ocean of difference between “generate reports” and “administer and automate”.