WinXP was released 2001 and the next version was planned to come 2004/2005. In that time, a PC with more than 4GB was a very rare bird. When Vista actually came in 2007, a lot of people still complained because it needed a whopping 2GB to run well! Oh, and there was a 64bit version of XP (2005)if you really had that much RAM. (IIRC, you could even use PAE with XP – definitely with the server version – but PAE is a horrible cludge and so I never ever bothered.)

Again, I’ll simply give you this as my response.

Read. Comprehend. Shut up.

YouDontNeedThat™ should be updated to include windows 95 you don’t need more than 756 megs of ram.

Windows XP and later on 32 bit even that 32 bit chips using PAE support 64Gb ram we only give you 4GB because you don’t need that.

My best when MS released Outlook the first version. Contacted them that I did not like that it would just run .exe files without asking user response was you don’t need that how are you going to update software effectively without having .exe auto run when emails open. Few years latter virus plague.

Some of Microsoft You Don’t Need that are completely insane. The FOSS world response is not a huge security hole.

Its not the DVD compadiblity that annoys me. Its removing Mpeg2 under the story that is cheaper. When you know the patent pool and that its just about to expire.

Reason for pulling mpeg2 from my eyes could be an attempt to stop w3c group and others using mpeg2 as a standard patent free video codec until h.264 expires.

The next 24 months sees a lot of the patent trouble against Linux die. Fat file-system patents fall over in 2013 most of Mpeg2 include encoders. Of course you don’t need full Mpeg2 to play DVD discs.

Most of MS gui patents possibly apply to android or Linux also fail in 2013.

Read back on the mp3 comment there are many open source and legal mp3 players out there since there are no true playback patents left that you require.

The common mistake is the PCT patent. PCT is not processed in mp3 decode only in encode so believing live of MP3 patents extend to 2015 when it don’t. Same with a lot of the latter MP3 patents compression optimisations patented basically.

Lot of patent pools with expire around 2017. 8 June 1995 when the USA patent system changed forbidding submarine patents. There was a 2 year window to open up the filing and the 20 years starts from then 1997. So a lot of patents had to be declared.

Thing is there are not that many new patent pools that have fees. WebM upset Mpegla idea of having a patent pool over it google licensed the core patents that you cannot do a paid for patent pool over WebM since this forbids using WebM yourself. VC-1 developed by Microsoft was also started out with the idea of being Fee free. Mpegla is a vampire basically. Invent Mpegla very little other than patent pools to be paid.

Every patent pool has a max effective life. Then it has to die.

So if all the new patent pools forming are fee free.(I have not found any new patent pools in a while requiring fees). The result will be death of patent payments. Its just a question of when.

We are basically coming up to a patent pool end game.

http://tmrepository.com/trademarks/youdontneedthat/

YouDontNeedThat(TM)

On Linux, shedding features is shedding bloat. On Windows, it’s a Pogson article.

I know I’m premature when I say that “nobody cares about DVDS anymore”, but physical media is a dying medium. I still own DVDs but I don’t want to watch them. And considering the rate at which movies and TV shows are being consumed on iTunes and torrents, I doubt we’ll see a successor to blu-ray.

I do believe that shedding DVD compatibility in Windows 8 is premature by one version, but I’m betting this year’s crop of college students, raised on a diet of YouTube and Hulu, they don’t missing it much.

Personally, I’m glad to see the dics go. Remember how we used to switch CDs instead of simply telling our mp3 player to play the next song? Oh wait, Pogson probably doesn’t own an mp3 player because they all run on proprietary software. Ah well, I’m sure carrying an entire PC around to play music is just fine by him.

Mpegla makes profit from selling patent pool licenses.

The reality is that link you posted was valid before October 16, 2012. Windows 8 release Oct 26, 2012.

http://www.mpegla.com/main/programs/M2/Pages/Agreement.aspx
December 31, 2015 is when the complete patent pool mpegla holds on Mpeg2 goes splat completely. Yes there are patents by other parties that come into play then.

Over 50 percent of the patent pool went splat as of October 16, 2012.

There are Mpeg2 patents past 2015 just mpegla does not hold them.

If you look down the bottom of the mpegla page you will notice “© 2009 MPEG LA, LLC”. So if you are dumb enough to keep on paying mpegla because they are displaying out of date site that is your problem. Patent holders don’t have to refund you because you pay them when you should not.

Brillo please in future read the full page you are quote. 2009 information is out of date. Patents if they are still valid changes yearly. If someone does not pay there renewal as well patents expire.

Mpegla will provide you with a list of patent todo things. When you look up all the decoding ones they are currently expired.

Just like Mp3 a few years before the full end the playback patents expired.

Basically Brillo you stop handing out bad advice and learn to check stuff out properly. If this was a white paper I would get the full list of mpegla patents list what ones apply to decoding and what ones apply only to encoding. Then check there patent status.

I am not being paid todo this white paper for you. I can tell you now if you do you will find what I am saying the mpeg2 decoding patents are expired by the time Windows 8 releases. Lot missed paying their extensions a year ago so are now expired as well.

Really mpegla is just like any other patent troll they will take payment when they no longer have a leg legal to stand on.

The reality from Microsoft side is they have not checked if the patents they are paying are still valid by the time of release.

To decode you need –27 original 1996 MPEG-2 IPR Working Group’s patents– That have just happened to expired October 16, 2012. 2011 while those patents were still valid you could not make a free decode for MPEG 2.

Basically you need a copyright 2012/2013 down the bottom of page Brillo because that is when the critical change in the patent pool happened. Of course mpegla is going to hide this fact as long as able.

Windows 8 is being released after the critical change in the patent pool. Windows 7 had to pay the pool.

2013 when another half of the mpeg2 patents go splat include some hardware decoders and encoders by the way. 2013 Is when mpeg2 gets really shaky on mpegla making money from the patent pool. Why pay mpegla when I can use the patent expired encoders and decoders.

October 26 is Windows 8 Release date. 10 days after Mpeg2 decoding patents become null and void.

Due to the fact we are 2 months to expiry. If you breached those patents now it would not matter. Because by the time the patent holder could get you to court the patents will have expired and the case will be thrown out for wasting the courts time. To get threw the USA and most countries courts the infringement has to be larger than a year from expiry to get into the count room while the patent is valid once you have done that then you can enforce the breach. They are required to provide you with notification and other things that eats up 4 months before you can get to the proper hearing of any form and that is if you don’t have to wait for court time. So 4 months to expire other than possible giving you legal department extra paperwork the patents are basically dead and not enforceable.

I should have clearly stated by the time Windows 8 is released mpegla contains no more patents over decoding mpeg 2 in software.

Of course due to how close the expiry is as Microsoft I would have just said DVD playback will be missing from the first release but will be in the first service pack due to avoiding paying mpegla.

This is the reality most of the common formats will be out of patent coverage. h.264 will take some more time. Webm annoys Mpegla. Because as each h.264 patent expires Webm is picking up its features.

The patents that are expired from h.264 you can make quite a decent codec.

Clarence Moon so Microsoft logic is incorrect because they did not take the time frame forward to see if they would have to pay.

Any device I am working on today by the time it hits production mpeg2 patents are mostly dead. Fast track is 3 months. To go from new design to into production.

So for me mpeg2 playback patents are dead for everything bar hardware encoders/decoders.

The PI mpeg2 decoder is not one of the ones coming free in 2013.

I believe that Mr. O holds the patent on handling out bad legal advice, so your admonition is fruitless.

In case you haven’t got the message, here’s the link.

Also, stop handling out bad legal advices.

Clarence Moon
“MPEG-2 decoder costs $2.00 per unit under current MPEG-LA terms.”

Ok other than the fact MPEG-LA no longer holds any valid playback patents if you are doing software decoding. Hardware decoding is paid for by the video card maker. So there is no requirement to pay the $2.00s any more if you only want to decode even to encode the remaining patents are avoidable. Also the other funny one AC-3 patents for playback have also expired.

So the justification of having to pay patents is bull-crap.

Both Mpeg-2 and AC-3 only require license these days to encode or to make a device with a hardware decoder. Or with AC-3 if you want to use the Dolby Technologies logo or source code. Third party codecs exist for AC-3 and Mpeg-2.

Clarence Moon now when you know what has run its patent life you have to ask why MS is doing what they are doing.

If you go back and read your own cites and their references, you will come across Microsoft’s own justification for deleting the function. It appears that they agree with you that next to nobody cares about playing the DVDs and go on to show where there is a substantial cost, ultimately borne by the consumer, in providing a legal right to play them. The logical answer is to eliminate the whole thing, which is what Microsoft finally did.

Less cost to the consumer and more profit for Microsoft. Win-win all around.