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		<title>By: kozmcrae</title>
		<link>http://mrpogson.com/2012/08/13/august-16-is-debians-birthday-anniversary/#comment-93691</link>
		<dc:creator>kozmcrae</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2012 16:18:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ivan the idiot wrote:

&quot;I didn’t realize you were that stupid, Koz. Next time I’ll draw a picture so you can understand.&quot;

More, I know you are but what am I?

Ivan wrote:

&quot;Certainly you can’t consider software a great achievement, that would be like an automobile mechanic lauding a 25mm socket wrench…&quot;

I don&#039;t have to call you stupid, your statement does a much better job of that than I ever could.  Next time do draw me a picture.  I&#039;m always game to see you make a fool of yourself in new ways.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ivan the idiot wrote:</p>
<p>&#8220;I didn’t realize you were that stupid, Koz. Next time I’ll draw a picture so you can understand.&#8221;</p>
<p>More, I know you are but what am I?</p>
<p>Ivan wrote:</p>
<p>&#8220;Certainly you can’t consider software a great achievement, that would be like an automobile mechanic lauding a 25mm socket wrench…&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t have to call you stupid, your statement does a much better job of that than I ever could.  Next time do draw me a picture.  I&#8217;m always game to see you make a fool of yourself in new ways.</p>
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		<title>By: ch</title>
		<link>http://mrpogson.com/2012/08/13/august-16-is-debians-birthday-anniversary/#comment-93685</link>
		<dc:creator>ch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2012 14:52:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Ever wonder how an OS gets to be on the most GNU/Linux web-servers without any salesmen?&quot;

Eventually, you will figure our what&#039;s wrong with this sentence ;-)

So far, my hypothesis stands: Linux is successful where essentially you only need some bit of OS, and the advantages of, say, Windows and Solaris are of no consequence and prive is of a huge concern. For run-of-the-mill webservers, that&#039;s clearly the case: LAMP is more than enough to serve up some web pages, and if you&#039;re an internet service provider with a huge building full of servers, then saving license fees does become an issue.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Ever wonder how an OS gets to be on the most GNU/Linux web-servers without any salesmen?&#8221;</p>
<p>Eventually, you will figure our what&#8217;s wrong with this sentence <img src='http://mrpogson.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>So far, my hypothesis stands: Linux is successful where essentially you only need some bit of OS, and the advantages of, say, Windows and Solaris are of no consequence and prive is of a huge concern. For run-of-the-mill webservers, that&#8217;s clearly the case: LAMP is more than enough to serve up some web pages, and if you&#8217;re an internet service provider with a huge building full of servers, then saving license fees does become an issue.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Pogson</title>
		<link>http://mrpogson.com/2012/08/13/august-16-is-debians-birthday-anniversary/#comment-93674</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Pogson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2012 12:00:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Chris Weig, the Grinch, wrote, &lt;em&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;green&quot;&gt;&quot;Debian is like the eighth wonder of the world. Only without the wonder.&quot;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/em&gt;

Hmmm... Ever wonder how an OS &lt;a href=&quot;http://w3techs.com/blog/entry/debian_is_now_the_most_popular_linux_distribution_on_web_servers&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;gets to be on the most GNU/Linux web-servers&lt;/a&gt; without any salesmen? Ever wonder how an OS gets &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.debian.org/mirror/list&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;hundreds of mirrors&lt;/a&gt; around the world when it&#039;s so lousy (SARCASM!!!)? It could just be that Debian GNU/Linux is wonderful.

Check out &lt;a href=&quot;http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the bug-count on the next release&lt;/a&gt;... I am using Wheezy on several computers and its pretty fine.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris Weig, the Grinch, wrote, <em><font color="green">&#8220;Debian is like the eighth wonder of the world. Only without the wonder.&#8221;</font></em></p>
<p>Hmmm&#8230; Ever wonder how an OS <a href="http://w3techs.com/blog/entry/debian_is_now_the_most_popular_linux_distribution_on_web_servers" rel="nofollow">gets to be on the most GNU/Linux web-servers</a> without any salesmen? Ever wonder how an OS gets <a href="http://www.debian.org/mirror/list" rel="nofollow">hundreds of mirrors</a> around the world when it&#8217;s so lousy (SARCASM!!!)? It could just be that Debian GNU/Linux is wonderful.</p>
<p>Check out <a href="http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/" rel="nofollow">the bug-count on the next release</a>&#8230; I am using Wheezy on several computers and its pretty fine.</p>
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		<title>By: Phenom</title>
		<link>http://mrpogson.com/2012/08/13/august-16-is-debians-birthday-anniversary/#comment-93671</link>
		<dc:creator>Phenom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2012 11:38:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;M$ takes 50% of the price of small cheap computers&lt;/b&gt;

Which do not run Windows.  Therefore your statement is non-sense.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>M$ takes 50% of the price of small cheap computers</b></p>
<p>Which do not run Windows.  Therefore your statement is non-sense.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Pogson</title>
		<link>http://mrpogson.com/2012/08/13/august-16-is-debians-birthday-anniversary/#comment-93670</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Pogson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2012 11:31:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[oiaohm wrote, &lt;em&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;green&quot;&gt;&quot;Debian. Slackware and redhat. A birthday and any 1 of those 3 is important because without them the branches off them would not exist.&quot;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/em&gt;

Amen! It is good to respect our ancestors. Compare that with my contempt for Ballmer &amp; Co. They did so much evil deliberately choosing to mess with competition. I cannot respect that. Any small mistakes by FLOSS communities pale in comparison to the black heart of M$.

Need a refresher course in evil? Read &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.justice.gov/atr/cases/exhibits/994.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Myhrvold&#039;s work&lt;/a&gt;:&lt;em&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;green&quot;&gt;&quot;The laws of positive feedback tell us that if it wasn&#039;t Microsoft with MS Dos, then some other company with some roughly similar operating system would be in precisely the same position. All current operating system technologies place a strong value on compatibility, and thus provide the hook for positive feedback. The inexorable pull of positive feedback cannot allow a situation where there are several equal competitors sharing the limelight - except in the brief moment when a newcomer on the way to the top passes the former champion on the way down.
If MS—Dos had failed, in all likelihood the market me leader would be CP/M-86 from Digital Research. Their CP/M·80 operating system was the market share leader for the previous generation of personal computers based on the Z-80 and 8080 chips. Although few people remember this, IBM actually shipped three operating system choices for the original IBM PC - MS-Dos. CP/M-86 and the UCSD Pascal P·system. MS Dos won out in a contest which was in many ways more evenly balanced than VHS versus Beta.&quot;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/em&gt;

He was writing about poor little DOS taking 1% of the price of a PC. Now, thanks to the success of his vision of monopoly as being a natural element of PC technology, M$ takes 50% of the price of small cheap computers. That&#039;s evil pretending to be God-given.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oiaohm wrote, <em><font color="green">&#8220;Debian. Slackware and redhat. A birthday and any 1 of those 3 is important because without them the branches off them would not exist.&#8221;</font></em></p>
<p>Amen! It is good to respect our ancestors. Compare that with my contempt for Ballmer &#038; Co. They did so much evil deliberately choosing to mess with competition. I cannot respect that. Any small mistakes by FLOSS communities pale in comparison to the black heart of M$.</p>
<p>Need a refresher course in evil? Read <a href="http://www.justice.gov/atr/cases/exhibits/994.pdf" rel="nofollow">Myhrvold&#8217;s work</a>:<em><font color="green">&#8220;The laws of positive feedback tell us that if it wasn&#8217;t Microsoft with MS Dos, then some other company with some roughly similar operating system would be in precisely the same position. All current operating system technologies place a strong value on compatibility, and thus provide the hook for positive feedback. The inexorable pull of positive feedback cannot allow a situation where there are several equal competitors sharing the limelight &#8211; except in the brief moment when a newcomer on the way to the top passes the former champion on the way down.<br />
If MS—Dos had failed, in all likelihood the market me leader would be CP/M-86 from Digital Research. Their CP/M·80 operating system was the market share leader for the previous generation of personal computers based on the Z-80 and 8080 chips. Although few people remember this, IBM actually shipped three operating system choices for the original IBM PC &#8211; MS-Dos. CP/M-86 and the UCSD Pascal P·system. MS Dos won out in a contest which was in many ways more evenly balanced than VHS versus Beta.&#8221;</font></em></p>
<p>He was writing about poor little DOS taking 1% of the price of a PC. Now, thanks to the success of his vision of monopoly as being a natural element of PC technology, M$ takes 50% of the price of small cheap computers. That&#8217;s evil pretending to be God-given.</p>
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		<title>By: oiaohm</title>
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		<dc:creator>oiaohm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2012 07:37:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Chris Weig
&quot;And as far as history goes, the entry in the history books WRT Linux is already reserved for Linus Torvalds. You can cry now.&quot;

Interesting enough is most history books mention debian, slackware and redhat as well as Linus Torvalds.

Redhat is the first commercial Linux cannot be missed.  All start those development in 1993.

The funny part is most books forget the true first Distributions.   Since those are all dead
MCC interm, TAMU and SLS just to name a few.  Out of very first distributions very few lived.  Mostly to remember they are lucky and did something right.

Chris Weig
&quot;Personally, I don’t celebrate Microsoft’s birthday, Windows’ birthday(s), Bill Gates’ birthday, or Steve Ballmer’s birthday.&quot;
Of course you don&#039;t.  Microsoft people don&#039;t make a community.

http://www.digitalspy.com/tech/news/a367693/apple-fans-mark-what-would-have-been-steve-jobss-birthday.html

Apple people at least respect birthdays.  Apple people also does things for its founding day.

Note redhat users normally don&#039;t party on debians day and debian people don&#039;t party on redhat day and so on.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris Weig<br />
&#8220;And as far as history goes, the entry in the history books WRT Linux is already reserved for Linus Torvalds. You can cry now.&#8221;</p>
<p>Interesting enough is most history books mention debian, slackware and redhat as well as Linus Torvalds.</p>
<p>Redhat is the first commercial Linux cannot be missed.  All start those development in 1993.</p>
<p>The funny part is most books forget the true first Distributions.   Since those are all dead<br />
MCC interm, TAMU and SLS just to name a few.  Out of very first distributions very few lived.  Mostly to remember they are lucky and did something right.</p>
<p>Chris Weig<br />
&#8220;Personally, I don’t celebrate Microsoft’s birthday, Windows’ birthday(s), Bill Gates’ birthday, or Steve Ballmer’s birthday.&#8221;<br />
Of course you don&#8217;t.  Microsoft people don&#8217;t make a community.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.digitalspy.com/tech/news/a367693/apple-fans-mark-what-would-have-been-steve-jobss-birthday.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.digitalspy.com/tech/news/a367693/apple-fans-mark-what-would-have-been-steve-jobss-birthday.html</a></p>
<p>Apple people at least respect birthdays.  Apple people also does things for its founding day.</p>
<p>Note redhat users normally don&#8217;t party on debians day and debian people don&#8217;t party on redhat day and so on.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Weig</title>
		<link>http://mrpogson.com/2012/08/13/august-16-is-debians-birthday-anniversary/#comment-93661</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Weig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2012 06:49:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;cite&gt;Ivan and Chris Weig just because you don’t get it does not mean you have to pricks about.&lt;/cite&gt;

What a strange thing to write.

Personally, I don&#039;t celebrate Microsoft&#039;s birthday, Windows&#039; birthday(s), Bill Gates&#039; birthday, or Steve Ballmer&#039;s birthday.

And as far as history goes, the entry in the history books WRT Linux is already reserved for Linus Torvalds. You can cry now.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><cite>Ivan and Chris Weig just because you don’t get it does not mean you have to pricks about.</cite></p>
<p>What a strange thing to write.</p>
<p>Personally, I don&#8217;t celebrate Microsoft&#8217;s birthday, Windows&#8217; birthday(s), Bill Gates&#8217; birthday, or Steve Ballmer&#8217;s birthday.</p>
<p>And as far as history goes, the entry in the history books WRT Linux is already reserved for Linus Torvalds. You can cry now.</p>
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		<title>By: oiaohm</title>
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		<dc:creator>oiaohm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2012 06:10:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ivan and Chris Weig just because you don&#039;t get it does not mean you have to pricks about.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8c/Gldt.svg

Look at the trees of distributions.

Slackware and debian are the two oldest.

Thing is debian and its relations make up most of the Linux world.

The linux world mostly breaks into 3 camps.

Debian. Slackware and redhat.  A birthday and any 1 of those 3 is important because without them the branches off them would not exist.

There is very little not inside those 3 camps.

The birthdays give chance debian to look along is relations.

Ivan its like car fans remembering the model T ford it was not that great but it was the first car mass produced.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ivan and Chris Weig just because you don&#8217;t get it does not mean you have to pricks about.</p>
<p><a href="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8c/Gldt.svg" rel="nofollow">http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8c/Gldt.svg</a></p>
<p>Look at the trees of distributions.</p>
<p>Slackware and debian are the two oldest.</p>
<p>Thing is debian and its relations make up most of the Linux world.</p>
<p>The linux world mostly breaks into 3 camps.</p>
<p>Debian. Slackware and redhat.  A birthday and any 1 of those 3 is important because without them the branches off them would not exist.</p>
<p>There is very little not inside those 3 camps.</p>
<p>The birthdays give chance debian to look along is relations.</p>
<p>Ivan its like car fans remembering the model T ford it was not that great but it was the first car mass produced.</p>
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		<title>By: Ivan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ivan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2012 05:14:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I didn&#039;t realize you were that stupid, Koz.  Next time I&#039;ll draw a picture so you can understand.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t realize you were that stupid, Koz.  Next time I&#8217;ll draw a picture so you can understand.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Weig</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Weig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2012 04:50:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;cite&gt;You have no idea what you consume or how you consume it. At least that’s what your statements imply.&lt;/cite&gt;

That true, Uncle Koz? Because I think he said something to the effect that software is such an ubiquitous and normal thing today that it&#039;s not quite clear why we should &quot;celebrate&quot; it.

With Debian I kind of get it. Sucking for 16 years and still there. Yes, that&#039;s a reason for celebration.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><cite>You have no idea what you consume or how you consume it. At least that’s what your statements imply.</cite></p>
<p>That true, Uncle Koz? Because I think he said something to the effect that software is such an ubiquitous and normal thing today that it&#8217;s not quite clear why we should &#8220;celebrate&#8221; it.</p>
<p>With Debian I kind of get it. Sucking for 16 years and still there. Yes, that&#8217;s a reason for celebration.</p>
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