And this proves what exactly? Can you please describe this “slowness”? I find it a bit hard to believe, as I’ve never seen a PC which was rendered “so slow” by pre-installed crapware. It may lengthen the time until everything’s loaded but that’s about it.

And you could have simply deactivated the crapware. Instead you chose the easy way out: FUD. “Oh, young lady, Windows is ‘so slow’, I recommend Debian GNU/Linux! It’s the right way to do IT!”

There goes your “objectivity”.

If you were interested in enlightenment, you might as well have de-installed whatever democrap (my hunch: some virus scanner who’s name starts with “N”) came pre-installed in less than 10 minutes. But of course, you are more interested in proselytizing.

Evil people always assume others are evil. They keep looking in mirrors.

I have introduced thousands of sane people to GNU/Linux and they were happy that their same old computers leapt into life compared to the burden of that other OS and malware. My favourite memory: “It’s so slow!”, quote of a young lady who had just unboxed a brand new AMD64 dual-core, 3gB PC running that other OS. In 10 minutes she had installed a Debian GNU/Linux image on it and it flew as it should. That’s nothing about evil. It’s about enlightenment.

Yeah. Sure. Right. You do know that before OpenOffice there was StarOffice, and that it was a commercial product, and that it was quite successful in certain markets. But then Stardivision became desperate and gave away StarOffice for free. Then they became even more desperate and committed suicide by selling themselves to Sun. All that because of their “vision” to dethrone Microsoft. And today? Nothing has really changed. Microsoft Office is still the big office package for which people pay. And there are others, like SoftMaker or Papyrus, who have found a niche and are happy with it. And then there’s LibreOffice, still trying to catch up.

“C’mon, if you want people to join your cause, as least try not to recycle the same old excuses from a decade ago by your forerunners.”

Time has moved on a lot. There were no major business or government deployments of Linux desktops 1990-2000 time frame. 2000-2010 you see the start of Linux Desktop deployments even OEM support. You also start seeing the particular project hindering progress. OpenOffice from sun was hindering. Qt not able free on Windows platforms also hindered.

1990-2000 a lot of server OS’s were acquired on disc. So retail. 2000-2010 you see a lot of server OS’s changed to download. This is not just a Linux thing. Even windows server by volume you can choose if you buy the disc or download it. Think about it do you see in most shops windows 2008 server boxes on shelf? No you don’t. You use to see NT server box set pre 2000. Its not just the Linux boxed sets that have disappeared.

Brillo the lock-in walls are coming down piece by piece at the moment.

Brillo we know how Microsoft got there platform.

Problem is hindrance and vendor lockin issues take time to defeat. Libreoffice should not take that long to close lots of the gaps. Qt open up will also see the kde office suite on windows with other parts.

The 2010 time frame on is different. Lot of things are acting different. Munich project will reach what is classed as a successful cost reduction and 80 percent conversion. It is not alone at doing this. The arguement that Linux is untested on the business desktop is dead.

If you want to argue its not read of the home desktop go ahead but the question is how long that market will remain.

Big thing Brillo and Oldman are making the mistake by presuming LibreOffice and OpenOffice will proceed the same. The reality is LibreOffice is completely new management. LibreOffice has added more features than OpenOffice added in the 10 years of its existence already. We are talking just over 12 months of existence to do 10+ years worth of progress. There is no sign at this stage that this progress will slow for Libreoffice any time in the near future.

Now if OpenOffice had progressed forwards at the same speed you would not be using MS Office today. MS Office would be feature behind.

Really in a lot of ways it would have been better if OpenOffice had not been released at all since it just caused hindrance. Focus then would have gone into koffice and we would be looking at it being quite a decent product.

X11 that was hindrance by video card makers that Linux is almost past that problem.

Reality Linux and FOSS has had a hard road. Few minor things go wrong had bad effects.

The wonderful paranoia of kozmcrae. There’s a video for that:

Coupling 2×01 – The Man With Two Legs (Jump to 6:28 if it doesn’t happen automatically.)

“It’s never the same man twice.”

Do remember it, kozmcrae.

http://penguinday.wordpress.com/2010/08/10/blast-from-the-past/

So Mr Pogson, Mr O and first and foremost Mr K are doing their level best to drive sane people away from Linux – that’s the way to success!

It’s increasingly apparent that you have little knowledge as to what happened between 1995-2000. You know, when Linux was on retail shelves and everyone was hyping about it until the dot com bubble culminated to a spectacular implosion? You are the shadow of a distant past, RP. Almost everything you say here is what half of us here have heard about from ~15 years ago. “Wintel”? “Desktop monopoly”? C’mon, if you want people to join your cause, as least try not to recycle the same old excuses from a decade ago by your forerunners. That’s lame.

No, actually, keep recycling the same old excuses. Keep blaming someone who has left MS for over 10 years to sell MIDI keyboards for Linux continuing not catching on on the desktop. Keep chanting the same ol’ “Wintel” rhetoric like it means anything in a modern-day context. Keep telling the same backyard handyman stories that lay bare your lack of knowledge and skills. Dark comedy is good comedy.

oldman is still choosing to ignore the unnecessary complexity and costs of the Wintel monopoly.

Not me, I’ve been been the oldman and been debating Pog since desktoplinux.com was a real site.

The sameness of arguments cuts both ways Mr. K. Robert Pogson is still posting the same half truths and verbalized ignorance about Microsoft and its products over and over again. We simply remind him (yet again) of the parts of the facts that he neglects to cover.

And interestingly enough, Pog chooses not to ban us, or even noisemakers like you for that matter even though you have indicated that you would care if he did!

As Pog says, Its all good.

Have a nice day!