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		<title>By: oiaohm</title>
		<link>http://mrpogson.com/2012/07/26/m-admits-the-game-is-over-will-have-to-work-for-a-living/#comment-92821</link>
		<dc:creator>oiaohm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2012 06:48:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Clarence Moon

&quot;Mostly that Linux does not exist on the machine and there is no reason to put it on the machine since the game suppliers will continue to supply Windows versions of new games before any other.&quot;

Colinux is a style of Linux install that can be installed in Windows Clarence Moon.

The thing I was getting at the Windows version performance could end up weakened.  They don&#039;t have to keep on releasing quality on the Windows platform even if they remain on the treadmill.

I guess the idea that Linux can run inside windows did not cross your mind as like an Application.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clarence Moon</p>
<p>&#8220;Mostly that Linux does not exist on the machine and there is no reason to put it on the machine since the game suppliers will continue to supply Windows versions of new games before any other.&#8221;</p>
<p>Colinux is a style of Linux install that can be installed in Windows Clarence Moon.</p>
<p>The thing I was getting at the Windows version performance could end up weakened.  They don&#8217;t have to keep on releasing quality on the Windows platform even if they remain on the treadmill.</p>
<p>I guess the idea that Linux can run inside windows did not cross your mind as like an Application.</p>
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		<title>By: Clarence Moon</title>
		<link>http://mrpogson.com/2012/07/26/m-admits-the-game-is-over-will-have-to-work-for-a-living/#comment-92709</link>
		<dc:creator>Clarence Moon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2012 20:29:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;What stops them from going the colinux path longterm for windows.&lt;/b&gt;

Mostly that Linux does not exist on the machine and there is no reason to put it on the machine since the game suppliers will continue to supply Windows versions of new games before any other.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>What stops them from going the colinux path longterm for windows.</b></p>
<p>Mostly that Linux does not exist on the machine and there is no reason to put it on the machine since the game suppliers will continue to supply Windows versions of new games before any other.</p>
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		<title>By: oiaohm</title>
		<link>http://mrpogson.com/2012/07/26/m-admits-the-game-is-over-will-have-to-work-for-a-living/#comment-92653</link>
		<dc:creator>oiaohm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2012 03:32:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Clarence Moon notice what you said.
&quot;Launching one of these games just takes over the screen and CPU pretty much entirely and I don’t see where Windows 8 would be any different from Windows 7 or Vista or XP for that matter. What do you think the issue is?&quot;

What stops them from going the colinux path longterm for windows.

Question you have to ask yourself exactly how far will Blizzard and other Game makers want to control.

Going Linux only for providing games does not prevent running inside windows.

What is the key changes.  Wayland process.  So graphics of Linux can run on frame-buffers without any networking stuff.  Go back a little deeper when the khronos group announced a unified program development platform based around the posix ideas.

http://www.khronos.org/openkode

The change of Valve and Blizzard is not surprising.

Clarence Moon the big question is do you have to build Windows applications to support Windows.  Lot of game developers though that Wine was suitable support for Linux.  So no reason why they will not do the same to Windows so forcing those who want decent performance to leave it.

Staying on the treadmill does not mean what you leave on the treadmill has to be the best.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clarence Moon notice what you said.<br />
&#8220;Launching one of these games just takes over the screen and CPU pretty much entirely and I don’t see where Windows 8 would be any different from Windows 7 or Vista or XP for that matter. What do you think the issue is?&#8221;</p>
<p>What stops them from going the colinux path longterm for windows.</p>
<p>Question you have to ask yourself exactly how far will Blizzard and other Game makers want to control.</p>
<p>Going Linux only for providing games does not prevent running inside windows.</p>
<p>What is the key changes.  Wayland process.  So graphics of Linux can run on frame-buffers without any networking stuff.  Go back a little deeper when the khronos group announced a unified program development platform based around the posix ideas.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.khronos.org/openkode" rel="nofollow">http://www.khronos.org/openkode</a></p>
<p>The change of Valve and Blizzard is not surprising.</p>
<p>Clarence Moon the big question is do you have to build Windows applications to support Windows.  Lot of game developers though that Wine was suitable support for Linux.  So no reason why they will not do the same to Windows so forcing those who want decent performance to leave it.</p>
<p>Staying on the treadmill does not mean what you leave on the treadmill has to be the best.</p>
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		<title>By: Clarence Moon</title>
		<link>http://mrpogson.com/2012/07/26/m-admits-the-game-is-over-will-have-to-work-for-a-living/#comment-92635</link>
		<dc:creator>Clarence Moon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jul 2012 20:27:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;I don’t see that.&lt;/b&gt;

Consider the alternatives, then, Mr. Pogson.  Blizzard is not going to stop or abandon its Windows business during any sort of transitional period.  It would go out of favor immediately with hundreds of millions of gamers who are, rightfully or wrongfully, on the Windows &quot;treadmill&quot; that you deplore.  Those are Blizzard&#039;s customers and cannot be abandoned without great loss of revenues.

So Blizzard is going to have to stay on the treadmill themselves regardless.  There is too much inertia in the system.  Windows is &quot;too big to fail&quot; as the popular assessment goes.

Perhaps they will change their stripes and start to support their game client(s) on Linux as well, but they are hardly likely to abandon Windows ever.  As to &quot;Blizzard drooling at the thought of keeping Steam from taking all of those markets&quot;, what are you suggesting here? Steam has the same landscape to face as Blizzard in this regard.

Also, what is it about Windows 8 that causes these folk such apparent pain?  Launching one of these games just takes over the screen and CPU pretty much entirely and I don&#039;t see where Windows 8 would be any different from Windows 7 or Vista or XP for that matter.  What do you think the issue is?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>I don’t see that.</b></p>
<p>Consider the alternatives, then, Mr. Pogson.  Blizzard is not going to stop or abandon its Windows business during any sort of transitional period.  It would go out of favor immediately with hundreds of millions of gamers who are, rightfully or wrongfully, on the Windows &#8220;treadmill&#8221; that you deplore.  Those are Blizzard&#8217;s customers and cannot be abandoned without great loss of revenues.</p>
<p>So Blizzard is going to have to stay on the treadmill themselves regardless.  There is too much inertia in the system.  Windows is &#8220;too big to fail&#8221; as the popular assessment goes.</p>
<p>Perhaps they will change their stripes and start to support their game client(s) on Linux as well, but they are hardly likely to abandon Windows ever.  As to &#8220;Blizzard drooling at the thought of keeping Steam from taking all of those markets&#8221;, what are you suggesting here? Steam has the same landscape to face as Blizzard in this regard.</p>
<p>Also, what is it about Windows 8 that causes these folk such apparent pain?  Launching one of these games just takes over the screen and CPU pretty much entirely and I don&#8217;t see where Windows 8 would be any different from Windows 7 or Vista or XP for that matter.  What do you think the issue is?</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Pogson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Pogson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jul 2012 16:03:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Clarence Moon wrote, &lt;em&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;green&quot;&gt;&quot;A rather frail reed to cling to&quot;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/em&gt;.

So, the news that Blizzard has a Linux platform ready to go and agreement with a competitor that &quot;8&quot; has no future does not lead to the natural conclusion that Blizzard is very likely to port to GNU/Linux? I don&#039;t see that. They have already made a considerable investment in GNU/Linux. The final move will suit them well in Brazil, India, Russia and China where GNU/Linux is very popular. There is greater potential growth in those markets than the rest of the world&#039;s existing installed base. That drip, drip, dripping sound is Blizzard drooling at the thought of keeping Steam from taking all of those markets.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clarence Moon wrote, <em><font color="green">&#8220;A rather frail reed to cling to&#8221;</font></em>.</p>
<p>So, the news that Blizzard has a Linux platform ready to go and agreement with a competitor that &#8220;8&#8243; has no future does not lead to the natural conclusion that Blizzard is very likely to port to GNU/Linux? I don&#8217;t see that. They have already made a considerable investment in GNU/Linux. The final move will suit them well in Brazil, India, Russia and China where GNU/Linux is very popular. There is greater potential growth in those markets than the rest of the world&#8217;s existing installed base. That drip, drip, dripping sound is Blizzard drooling at the thought of keeping Steam from taking all of those markets.</p>
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		<title>By: Clarence Moon</title>
		<link>http://mrpogson.com/2012/07/26/m-admits-the-game-is-over-will-have-to-work-for-a-living/#comment-92621</link>
		<dc:creator>Clarence Moon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jul 2012 15:56:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;Blizzard is interested in migrating to Linux as well&lt;/b&gt;

A rather frail reed to cling to, doughman.  

For one thing the cite says &lt;i&gt;&quot;it doesn&#039;t appear they have any formalized Linux plans&quot;&lt;/i&gt; and for another it says &lt;i&gt;&quot;gamers being banned for using Wine and then a few years prior there was bans for playing World of Warcraft under Cedega&quot;&lt;/i&gt;.  That doesn&#039;t sound like a bunch of enthusiastic supportes of Linux to me, but then I&#039;m not so frustrated by the process as you might be.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Blizzard is interested in migrating to Linux as well</b></p>
<p>A rather frail reed to cling to, doughman.  </p>
<p>For one thing the cite says <i>&#8220;it doesn&#8217;t appear they have any formalized Linux plans&#8221;</i> and for another it says <i>&#8220;gamers being banned for using Wine and then a few years prior there was bans for playing World of Warcraft under Cedega&#8221;</i>.  That doesn&#8217;t sound like a bunch of enthusiastic supportes of Linux to me, but then I&#8217;m not so frustrated by the process as you might be.</p>
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		<title>By: dougman</title>
		<link>http://mrpogson.com/2012/07/26/m-admits-the-game-is-over-will-have-to-work-for-a-living/#comment-92592</link>
		<dc:creator>dougman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jul 2012 23:03:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Not to beat the dead horse of Windows, but it seems Blizzard is interested in migrating to Linux as well.

&lt;i&gt;Following the very public and widespread news this week that Gabe Newell thinks Windows 8 is crap -- which is actually a repeat of what I exclusively reported back in April -- there&#039;s been a lot of interesting comments and prospects raised about the future of Linux gaming. 

Following Newell&#039;s negative statements towards Windows 8, there was an interesting tweet by Rob Pardo, the Executive Vice President of Game Design at Blizzard Entertainment. &quot;nice interview with Gabe Newell - &quot;I think Windows 8 is a catastrophe for everyone in the PC space* - not awesome for Blizzard either&quot; 

So at least Pardo agrees with Newell over this next Microsoft Windows release due out in October is a catastrophe&lt;/i&gt;

http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&amp;px=MTE0ODE

It sees Windows 8 is one big failure; even M$ knows this and revised its BSOD. http://cdn.blogsolute.com/img/2011/09/windows-8-bluescreen-bsod.jpg]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not to beat the dead horse of Windows, but it seems Blizzard is interested in migrating to Linux as well.</p>
<p><i>Following the very public and widespread news this week that Gabe Newell thinks Windows 8 is crap &#8212; which is actually a repeat of what I exclusively reported back in April &#8212; there&#8217;s been a lot of interesting comments and prospects raised about the future of Linux gaming. </p>
<p>Following Newell&#8217;s negative statements towards Windows 8, there was an interesting tweet by Rob Pardo, the Executive Vice President of Game Design at Blizzard Entertainment. &#8220;nice interview with Gabe Newell &#8211; &#8220;I think Windows 8 is a catastrophe for everyone in the PC space* &#8211; not awesome for Blizzard either&#8221; </p>
<p>So at least Pardo agrees with Newell over this next Microsoft Windows release due out in October is a catastrophe</i></p>
<p><a href="http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&#038;px=MTE0ODE" rel="nofollow">http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&#038;px=MTE0ODE</a></p>
<p>It sees Windows 8 is one big failure; even M$ knows this and revised its BSOD. <a href="http://cdn.blogsolute.com/img/2011/09/windows-8-bluescreen-bsod.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://cdn.blogsolute.com/img/2011/09/windows-8-bluescreen-bsod.jpg</a></p>
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		<title>By: oiaohm</title>
		<link>http://mrpogson.com/2012/07/26/m-admits-the-game-is-over-will-have-to-work-for-a-living/#comment-92589</link>
		<dc:creator>oiaohm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jul 2012 22:44:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Tar
&quot;Want proof? Fedora is now paying Microsoft to sign the Fedora boot loader. Future is only more restrictive.&quot;

Ok then why has Fedora work on Arm support increased.  Linux world has done what ever to run up until now.

Now you are seeing KDE and other branch out into having there own hardware produced.

Tar
&quot;Linux will fade away or become ultra-proprietary, just like Darwin.&quot;

Dream on.  Even that fedora has paid for boot loader signing on x86 platform does not mean that platform long term is important to Linux.

Fedora Microsoft only signs the bootloader after that everything is signed by a redhat key.

The signing of binaries had to come.  They funny part I don&#039;t see how this Microsoft Signing idea will play out any good to stop the malware.

Remember Flame and other Malware like it was made by the USA Goverment.  Microsoft signing key is in the USA so the USA Goverment can get there hands on it and still make malware that infects the OS at boot loader level.

Correct response to prevent hell was Motherboards come out without any signing keys and end user to install an OS has to install a signing key by the firmware of the board for the OS&#039;s they wish to run.  This would have remove the USA as a malware source also allowed business to unique sign their Linux installs so stopping lot of Linux malware dead in it tracks.

Even the Redhat lead developer on EFI expects Malware to appear signed by the Microsoft keys.  So paying Microsoft here is only until the complete badly made house of cards falls in on itself.  He thinks it is going to be funny with how slow x86 firmware makers are at shipping out updates.

Also Redhat has intentionally gone out of there way to make it hard on Nvidia and AMD and anyone else making closed source drivers by making all kernel drivers have to be signed in UEFI mode so pay redhat.    So yes Redhat will recover that 100 dollars with profit and get to blame it all on Microsoft.

Tar basically fedora paid so they have a scapegoat for blocking closed source drivers.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tar<br />
&#8220;Want proof? Fedora is now paying Microsoft to sign the Fedora boot loader. Future is only more restrictive.&#8221;</p>
<p>Ok then why has Fedora work on Arm support increased.  Linux world has done what ever to run up until now.</p>
<p>Now you are seeing KDE and other branch out into having there own hardware produced.</p>
<p>Tar<br />
&#8220;Linux will fade away or become ultra-proprietary, just like Darwin.&#8221;</p>
<p>Dream on.  Even that fedora has paid for boot loader signing on x86 platform does not mean that platform long term is important to Linux.</p>
<p>Fedora Microsoft only signs the bootloader after that everything is signed by a redhat key.</p>
<p>The signing of binaries had to come.  They funny part I don&#8217;t see how this Microsoft Signing idea will play out any good to stop the malware.</p>
<p>Remember Flame and other Malware like it was made by the USA Goverment.  Microsoft signing key is in the USA so the USA Goverment can get there hands on it and still make malware that infects the OS at boot loader level.</p>
<p>Correct response to prevent hell was Motherboards come out without any signing keys and end user to install an OS has to install a signing key by the firmware of the board for the OS&#8217;s they wish to run.  This would have remove the USA as a malware source also allowed business to unique sign their Linux installs so stopping lot of Linux malware dead in it tracks.</p>
<p>Even the Redhat lead developer on EFI expects Malware to appear signed by the Microsoft keys.  So paying Microsoft here is only until the complete badly made house of cards falls in on itself.  He thinks it is going to be funny with how slow x86 firmware makers are at shipping out updates.</p>
<p>Also Redhat has intentionally gone out of there way to make it hard on Nvidia and AMD and anyone else making closed source drivers by making all kernel drivers have to be signed in UEFI mode so pay redhat.    So yes Redhat will recover that 100 dollars with profit and get to blame it all on Microsoft.</p>
<p>Tar basically fedora paid so they have a scapegoat for blocking closed source drivers.</p>
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		<title>By: kozmcrae</title>
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		<dc:creator>kozmcrae</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jul 2012 18:55:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Tar wrote:

&quot;Linux will fade away or become ultra-proprietary, just like Darwin.&quot;

Hang on to that vision Tar, it will help to keep you sane.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tar wrote:</p>
<p>&#8220;Linux will fade away or become ultra-proprietary, just like Darwin.&#8221;</p>
<p>Hang on to that vision Tar, it will help to keep you sane.</p>
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		<title>By: Tar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jul 2012 11:53:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Future is closed Apple and Android stores, locked down and unhackable.

The future will look back at Windows as a golden age of open software, when software could be written and sold freely without obtaining permission from Microsoft first.

Want proof? Fedora is now paying Microsoft to sign the Fedora boot loader. Future is only more restrictive.

Linux will fade away or become ultra-proprietary, just like Darwin.

Just because OS is &quot;open source&quot; does not mean evil closed gardens cannot be built over top of it!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Future is closed Apple and Android stores, locked down and unhackable.</p>
<p>The future will look back at Windows as a golden age of open software, when software could be written and sold freely without obtaining permission from Microsoft first.</p>
<p>Want proof? Fedora is now paying Microsoft to sign the Fedora boot loader. Future is only more restrictive.</p>
<p>Linux will fade away or become ultra-proprietary, just like Darwin.</p>
<p>Just because OS is &#8220;open source&#8221; does not mean evil closed gardens cannot be built over top of it!</p>
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