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		<title>By: Robert Pogson</title>
		<link>http://mrpogson.com/2012/07/22/walmart-bundling-the-bundle/#comment-92316</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Pogson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2012 03:26:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Clarence Moon wrote, &lt;em&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;green&quot;&gt;&quot;Face the facts&quot;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/em&gt;, but does not state any facts. eeePCs with GNU/Linux did sell out globally and ASUS did not quit making them. I bought one a few years ago in the Arctic. eeePCs with GNU/Linux are in stores just not constipated retail stores in North America sucking up to M$.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clarence Moon wrote, <em><font color="green">&#8220;Face the facts&#8221;</font></em>, but does not state any facts. eeePCs with GNU/Linux did sell out globally and ASUS did not quit making them. I bought one a few years ago in the Arctic. eeePCs with GNU/Linux are in stores just not constipated retail stores in North America sucking up to M$.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://mrpogson.com/2012/07/22/walmart-bundling-the-bundle/#comment-92310</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2012 00:13:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Speaking of price points... I bought a Netgear Stora 2000 NAS enclosure yesterday. It has a 1GHz ARM cpu, 128Mb RAM, 256Mb flash with RedHat Linux on it, 2 HDD bays with mirroring and it costs about the same as a decent PSU: $72. 

The next step would be moving all the media from our laptop to the NAS, and removing all the unnecessary internet access stuff installed by Netgear. Hopefully it will be next weekend : )))]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking of price points&#8230; I bought a Netgear Stora 2000 NAS enclosure yesterday. It has a 1GHz ARM cpu, 128Mb RAM, 256Mb flash with RedHat Linux on it, 2 HDD bays with mirroring and it costs about the same as a decent PSU: $72. </p>
<p>The next step would be moving all the media from our laptop to the NAS, and removing all the unnecessary internet access stuff installed by Netgear. Hopefully it will be next weekend : )))</p>
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		<title>By: oiaohm</title>
		<link>http://mrpogson.com/2012/07/22/walmart-bundling-the-bundle/#comment-92308</link>
		<dc:creator>oiaohm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2012 23:40:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Tar  I am not a light user.  Not by any idea of light.

KDE is my default GUI.  That alone makes 300 megs disappear.  But 2 G is workable.  Yes my current system has 8G but I do have a 1 G tablet that also runs KDE and other stuff on arm.  So 1 G is big enough to run the heavies WM at the movement and LibreOffice.

Tar
&quot;OK for simple web surfing.&quot; 
Webbrowser is where the problem comes in.  As long as you don&#039;t use firefox or have KSM turned on.  Chrome until the firefox 15 comes out would be my recommendation to anyone with under 4G of ram so they do not get burnt because of there anti-virus and other plugins.

http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Firefox-15-reduces-memory-consumption-1649125.html

This is quite a major fix so closing tabs does infant give your memory back.

With KSM on it does not matter as much because running the same test with 150+ tabs as www.h-online.com did yes firefox running in wine on Linux so I could install the windows only site advister. At peak only consumed 300 megs compared to 1.4 to 1.7GB with KSM on.  With KSM off it performed about the same as the graphic at h-online.  Most of the leaks compress very well because they are duplicate data.  With compression on being KSM if wine would run on my 1G of ram arm table it would work.

So if you cannot make a machine with 2G of ram productive something is wrong.  Windows I can understand MS is not willing to pay VMWARE a patent license to use KSM tech so leaking applications eat more memory than they should.  Yes MS wants everyone to pay them for using there patented tech yet does not go out and pay for the patents that would make user experience better.

Its in fact web surfing that kicks the systems nuts in mostly because Firefox and Internet explorer has some quite major memory leaks.  New version of firefox address some of these.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tar  I am not a light user.  Not by any idea of light.</p>
<p>KDE is my default GUI.  That alone makes 300 megs disappear.  But 2 G is workable.  Yes my current system has 8G but I do have a 1 G tablet that also runs KDE and other stuff on arm.  So 1 G is big enough to run the heavies WM at the movement and LibreOffice.</p>
<p>Tar<br />
&#8220;OK for simple web surfing.&#8221;<br />
Webbrowser is where the problem comes in.  As long as you don&#8217;t use firefox or have KSM turned on.  Chrome until the firefox 15 comes out would be my recommendation to anyone with under 4G of ram so they do not get burnt because of there anti-virus and other plugins.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Firefox-15-reduces-memory-consumption-1649125.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Firefox-15-reduces-memory-consumption-1649125.html</a></p>
<p>This is quite a major fix so closing tabs does infant give your memory back.</p>
<p>With KSM on it does not matter as much because running the same test with 150+ tabs as <a href="http://www.h-online.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.h-online.com</a> did yes firefox running in wine on Linux so I could install the windows only site advister. At peak only consumed 300 megs compared to 1.4 to 1.7GB with KSM on.  With KSM off it performed about the same as the graphic at h-online.  Most of the leaks compress very well because they are duplicate data.  With compression on being KSM if wine would run on my 1G of ram arm table it would work.</p>
<p>So if you cannot make a machine with 2G of ram productive something is wrong.  Windows I can understand MS is not willing to pay VMWARE a patent license to use KSM tech so leaking applications eat more memory than they should.  Yes MS wants everyone to pay them for using there patented tech yet does not go out and pay for the patents that would make user experience better.</p>
<p>Its in fact web surfing that kicks the systems nuts in mostly because Firefox and Internet explorer has some quite major memory leaks.  New version of firefox address some of these.</p>
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		<title>By: Clarence Moon</title>
		<link>http://mrpogson.com/2012/07/22/walmart-bundling-the-bundle/#comment-92303</link>
		<dc:creator>Clarence Moon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2012 19:42:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;ASUS and several other companies make a good living selling GNU/Linux &lt;/b&gt;

And that is why they are not in stores?  A rather feeble attempt at levity, Mr. Pogson!

&lt;b&gt;They sold out just about everywhere ...&lt;/b&gt;

Is that why they quit making them?  Too much hassle to keep restocking the stores?

Face the facts, Mr. Pogson.  No one wanted them once a Windows version was available and they fell by the wayside.  As to &quot;sold out&quot;, you yourself linked to a a place (Alibaba?) that was offering them at fire sale pricing a while back.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>ASUS and several other companies make a good living selling GNU/Linux </b></p>
<p>And that is why they are not in stores?  A rather feeble attempt at levity, Mr. Pogson!</p>
<p><b>They sold out just about everywhere &#8230;</b></p>
<p>Is that why they quit making them?  Too much hassle to keep restocking the stores?</p>
<p>Face the facts, Mr. Pogson.  No one wanted them once a Windows version was available and they fell by the wayside.  As to &#8220;sold out&#8221;, you yourself linked to a a place (Alibaba?) that was offering them at fire sale pricing a while back.</p>
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		<title>By: oe</title>
		<link>http://mrpogson.com/2012/07/22/walmart-bundling-the-bundle/#comment-92302</link>
		<dc:creator>oe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2012 19:21:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Atoms and 2Gb of RAM are barely OK for simple web surfing. A toy computer only.&quot; 

True enough as I can attest with a ASUS eee loaded with WinXP as sold. 

A whole &#039;nother matter when wiped over with UNR 10.04 (GNU/Linux); then I&#039;ve found its a quite capable little workhorse, can run LibreOffice, Matlab, Octave, Mathematica, Maxima and other heavy stuff....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Atoms and 2Gb of RAM are barely OK for simple web surfing. A toy computer only.&#8221; </p>
<p>True enough as I can attest with a ASUS eee loaded with WinXP as sold. </p>
<p>A whole &#8216;nother matter when wiped over with UNR 10.04 (GNU/Linux); then I&#8217;ve found its a quite capable little workhorse, can run LibreOffice, Matlab, Octave, Mathematica, Maxima and other heavy stuff&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Agent_Smith</title>
		<link>http://mrpogson.com/2012/07/22/walmart-bundling-the-bundle/#comment-92299</link>
		<dc:creator>Agent_Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2012 18:14:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[One thing Mr. Pogson let slip through: The Linux machine has double the ram memory and still, it is cheaper than the other OS one...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing Mr. Pogson let slip through: The Linux machine has double the ram memory and still, it is cheaper than the other OS one&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Pogson</title>
		<link>http://mrpogson.com/2012/07/22/walmart-bundling-the-bundle/#comment-92296</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Pogson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2012 15:04:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Tar wrote, &lt;em&gt;&lt;font color=&quot;green&quot;&gt;&quot;Atoms and 2Gb of RAM are barely OK for simple web surfing. A toy computer only.&quot;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/em&gt;

Nonsense. I have three Atoms running GNU/Linux in my home usually for visitors. They all think they are pretty snappy. Think of it. A few years ago 32bit single-core could run all the software for 30 users in my computer lab at 1.8gHz clock. These Atoms have two and four 64-bit cores at 1.6 gHz and the systems in my home are for single users although I can run stuff on them by SSH and X remotely. They have 1gB and 1.5gB RAM and no one runs out.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tar wrote, <em><font color="green">&#8220;Atoms and 2Gb of RAM are barely OK for simple web surfing. A toy computer only.&#8221;</font></em></p>
<p>Nonsense. I have three Atoms running GNU/Linux in my home usually for visitors. They all think they are pretty snappy. Think of it. A few years ago 32bit single-core could run all the software for 30 users in my computer lab at 1.8gHz clock. These Atoms have two and four 64-bit cores at 1.6 gHz and the systems in my home are for single users although I can run stuff on them by SSH and X remotely. They have 1gB and 1.5gB RAM and no one runs out.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Pogson</title>
		<link>http://mrpogson.com/2012/07/22/walmart-bundling-the-bundle/#comment-92293</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Pogson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2012 14:42:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ASUS doubled and redoubled the output of eeePCs with GNU/Linux. They sold out just about everywhere and people waited weeks to get their machines.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ASUS doubled and redoubled the output of eeePCs with GNU/Linux. They sold out just about everywhere and people waited weeks to get their machines.</p>
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		<title>By: Tar</title>
		<link>http://mrpogson.com/2012/07/22/walmart-bundling-the-bundle/#comment-92284</link>
		<dc:creator>Tar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2012 13:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Atoms and 2Gb of RAM are barely OK for simple web surfing. A toy computer only.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Atoms and 2Gb of RAM are barely OK for simple web surfing. A toy computer only.</p>
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		<title>By: Tar</title>
		<link>http://mrpogson.com/2012/07/22/walmart-bundling-the-bundle/#comment-92283</link>
		<dc:creator>Tar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2012 13:31:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ASUS &quot;sold out&quot; because they made very few of them in the first place. Only a limited run.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ASUS &#8220;sold out&#8221; because they made very few of them in the first place. Only a limited run.</p>
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