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	<title>Comments on: &#8220;8&#8243; Is Neck-deep In Its Own Mess</title>
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	<description>One man. Closing, all the windows.</description>
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		<title>By: Yonah</title>
		<link>http://mrpogson.com/2012/07/16/8-is-neck-deep-in-its-own-mess/#comment-92119</link>
		<dc:creator>Yonah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2012 20:14:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[oiaohm: &quot;Please note 15 months is best cycle under normal bios extension requirements.&quot;

Gimme a C! Gimme an I! Gimme a T! Gimme an A! Gimme another T! Gimme another I! Gimme an O! Gimme a N!

What does it spell? CITATION! WOOOOOOOOOOOO! Yay!!!

That makes three thus far, Oaiohom.  We&#039;re waiting for 2 others over at http://mrpogson.com/2012/07/12/wintel-stalls/comment-page-1/#comment-92012

Don&#039;t leave us hanging, bro.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oiaohm: &#8220;Please note 15 months is best cycle under normal bios extension requirements.&#8221;</p>
<p>Gimme a C! Gimme an I! Gimme a T! Gimme an A! Gimme another T! Gimme another I! Gimme an O! Gimme a N!</p>
<p>What does it spell? CITATION! WOOOOOOOOOOOO! Yay!!!</p>
<p>That makes three thus far, Oaiohom.  We&#8217;re waiting for 2 others over at <a href="http://mrpogson.com/2012/07/12/wintel-stalls/comment-page-1/#comment-92012" rel="nofollow">http://mrpogson.com/2012/07/12/wintel-stalls/comment-page-1/#comment-92012</a></p>
<p>Don&#8217;t leave us hanging, bro.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Weig</title>
		<link>http://mrpogson.com/2012/07/16/8-is-neck-deep-in-its-own-mess/#comment-92084</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Weig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2012 09:26:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Syria will become a democracy before FLOSS rules the world.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Syria will become a democracy before FLOSS rules the world.</p>
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		<title>By: oe</title>
		<link>http://mrpogson.com/2012/07/16/8-is-neck-deep-in-its-own-mess/#comment-91969</link>
		<dc:creator>oe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jul 2012 23:33:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Then they ignore an exponential growth curve of demand for FOSS OS&#039;es that is in the initial uptake portion....a bad bet to placate the decaying IT methodology....Nokia anyone?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Then they ignore an exponential growth curve of demand for FOSS OS&#8217;es that is in the initial uptake portion&#8230;.a bad bet to placate the decaying IT methodology&#8230;.Nokia anyone?</p>
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		<title>By: oiaohm</title>
		<link>http://mrpogson.com/2012/07/16/8-is-neck-deep-in-its-own-mess/#comment-91966</link>
		<dc:creator>oiaohm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jul 2012 23:05:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Clarence Moon to be correct to obtain anything configured or not EFI that supports the extensions to run secure boot is hard.  About the only thing  are developer boards that let you install you own keys.  MSI has one of those out by default it fires up Secure boot off.  You have to set bios password to turn Secure boot on.  Lovely right supplied with a machine with secure boot on and you cannot change a bios setting without a password very user-friendly not.  Remember MS insist OEM providing windows 8 turn Secure boot on.  Suxs to be the poor end user.

Issue is the development cycle of a fireware for a x86 motherboard.   From the time MS wanted Secure Boot to when they wanted it deployed should have been 15 months since that is the development cycle.

Problem is its release of windows 8 is before 15 months timeline. Feb 2013 would be 15 months from when MS stated intent.  Please note 15 months is best cycle under normal bios extension requirements.  Boards produced in that window will not be upgraded to the new tech either.

The MS timeline could be basically impossible.  Final signing key public key will only be released when windows 8 will be as well.  Thank you Microsoft for not understanding how bios development works on the x86 platform.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clarence Moon to be correct to obtain anything configured or not EFI that supports the extensions to run secure boot is hard.  About the only thing  are developer boards that let you install you own keys.  MSI has one of those out by default it fires up Secure boot off.  You have to set bios password to turn Secure boot on.  Lovely right supplied with a machine with secure boot on and you cannot change a bios setting without a password very user-friendly not.  Remember MS insist OEM providing windows 8 turn Secure boot on.  Suxs to be the poor end user.</p>
<p>Issue is the development cycle of a fireware for a x86 motherboard.   From the time MS wanted Secure Boot to when they wanted it deployed should have been 15 months since that is the development cycle.</p>
<p>Problem is its release of windows 8 is before 15 months timeline. Feb 2013 would be 15 months from when MS stated intent.  Please note 15 months is best cycle under normal bios extension requirements.  Boards produced in that window will not be upgraded to the new tech either.</p>
<p>The MS timeline could be basically impossible.  Final signing key public key will only be released when windows 8 will be as well.  Thank you Microsoft for not understanding how bios development works on the x86 platform.</p>
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		<title>By: Clarence Moon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clarence Moon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jul 2012 18:07:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;So, not only ...&lt;/b&gt;

It is not very clear just what SJVN is on about here, Mr. Pogson.  The missing &quot;hardware&quot; seems to refer to the efforts by the Linux Foundation to obtain something that will support mods to use things other than Windows 8.  If they are faced with a deadline, the OEMs might just forego bothering with such a low demand item.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>So, not only &#8230;</b></p>
<p>It is not very clear just what SJVN is on about here, Mr. Pogson.  The missing &#8220;hardware&#8221; seems to refer to the efforts by the Linux Foundation to obtain something that will support mods to use things other than Windows 8.  If they are faced with a deadline, the OEMs might just forego bothering with such a low demand item.</p>
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