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		<title>By: oiaohm</title>
		<link>http://mrpogson.com/2011/12/22/apache-software-foundation-hits-their-sore-thumb-again/#comment-72296</link>
		<dc:creator>oiaohm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Dec 2011 23:20:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am still not in the habit of typing libreoffice all the time.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am still not in the habit of typing libreoffice all the time.</p>
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		<title>By: oiaohm</title>
		<link>http://mrpogson.com/2011/12/22/apache-software-foundation-hits-their-sore-thumb-again/#comment-72295</link>
		<dc:creator>oiaohm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Dec 2011 23:19:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Clarence Moon other than fact some of my non checked english causes MS Office 2010 to lock up.

Sorry MS Office does not work with me.  I will stick with open office and languagetool for first processing.  At least that way I get my work saved and not eaten by a crashing office suite.

Really kindly don&#039;t be smart ass and suggest item that does not work and would cost me time not save me anything.

Of course Clarence Moon I can expect you to miss the finer points of english.  business is to 1 or many.  Does not have to mean all businesses.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clarence Moon other than fact some of my non checked english causes MS Office 2010 to lock up.</p>
<p>Sorry MS Office does not work with me.  I will stick with open office and languagetool for first processing.  At least that way I get my work saved and not eaten by a crashing office suite.</p>
<p>Really kindly don&#8217;t be smart ass and suggest item that does not work and would cost me time not save me anything.</p>
<p>Of course Clarence Moon I can expect you to miss the finer points of english.  business is to 1 or many.  Does not have to mean all businesses.</p>
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		<title>By: Clarence Moon</title>
		<link>http://mrpogson.com/2011/12/22/apache-software-foundation-hits-their-sore-thumb-again/#comment-72206</link>
		<dc:creator>Clarence Moon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Dec 2011 13:51:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[All I can say, Mr. Oiaohm, is that the most important part of &quot;just because business are running on MS Office does not make there default document format ooxml&quot; is the part that admits &quot;business (sic) are running on MS Office&quot;.  That is what MS takes to the bank.  By the way, you might try it yourself.  The grammar and spell checker in MS Office would do wonders for your prose!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All I can say, Mr. Oiaohm, is that the most important part of &#8220;just because business are running on MS Office does not make there default document format ooxml&#8221; is the part that admits &#8220;business (sic) are running on MS Office&#8221;.  That is what MS takes to the bank.  By the way, you might try it yourself.  The grammar and spell checker in MS Office would do wonders for your prose!</p>
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		<title>By: oiaohm</title>
		<link>http://mrpogson.com/2011/12/22/apache-software-foundation-hits-their-sore-thumb-again/#comment-72118</link>
		<dc:creator>oiaohm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Dec 2011 05:15:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Clarence Moon just because business are running on MS Office does not make there default document format ooxml.

Most common business standard is the older formats due to stability.

Basically commerce will change to ooxml when it becomes a stable format.

In fact business to business is more likely to be PDF.

Have you ever used http://www.alfresco.com/ or any of the Large scale ERP.

Sorry but the MS stuff is toy products.  Clarence Moon.  MS Office or Libreoffice is quite suitable to any of the proper ERP&#039;s  they don&#039;t care these days.

Really Clarence once you get high end MS Office is no longer important.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clarence Moon just because business are running on MS Office does not make there default document format ooxml.</p>
<p>Most common business standard is the older formats due to stability.</p>
<p>Basically commerce will change to ooxml when it becomes a stable format.</p>
<p>In fact business to business is more likely to be PDF.</p>
<p>Have you ever used <a href="http://www.alfresco.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.alfresco.com/</a> or any of the Large scale ERP.</p>
<p>Sorry but the MS stuff is toy products.  Clarence Moon.  MS Office or Libreoffice is quite suitable to any of the proper ERP&#8217;s  they don&#8217;t care these days.</p>
<p>Really Clarence once you get high end MS Office is no longer important.</p>
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		<title>By: Clarence Moon</title>
		<link>http://mrpogson.com/2011/12/22/apache-software-foundation-hits-their-sore-thumb-again/#comment-71935</link>
		<dc:creator>Clarence Moon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Dec 2011 13:27:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It would seem to me that the joke&#039;s on you, Mr. Oiaohm!  

Virtually all of the commerce in office products is contained in MS Office today.  Most businesses run their office schedules and document collaboration systems based on MS Office as a client suite.  Impoverished or otherwise rubes like yourself may long for Microsoft to get their just desserts and suffer some sort of economic ruin, but if that ever comes, it will be far too late for it to punish the fellows like Bill Gates or Steve Ballmer who have long ago banked tens of billions of dollars of personal wealth.  

Maybe some day a few thousand developers will be summarily laid off and their families made to suffer some setback until they find a new gig.  Maybe they will have to move from the sunny Pacific Northwest to Cupertino or its environs, too.

But I am sure it will be too little and too late to satisfy your needs!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would seem to me that the joke&#8217;s on you, Mr. Oiaohm!  </p>
<p>Virtually all of the commerce in office products is contained in MS Office today.  Most businesses run their office schedules and document collaboration systems based on MS Office as a client suite.  Impoverished or otherwise rubes like yourself may long for Microsoft to get their just desserts and suffer some sort of economic ruin, but if that ever comes, it will be far too late for it to punish the fellows like Bill Gates or Steve Ballmer who have long ago banked tens of billions of dollars of personal wealth.  </p>
<p>Maybe some day a few thousand developers will be summarily laid off and their families made to suffer some setback until they find a new gig.  Maybe they will have to move from the sunny Pacific Northwest to Cupertino or its environs, too.</p>
<p>But I am sure it will be too little and too late to satisfy your needs!</p>
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		<title>By: oiaohm</title>
		<link>http://mrpogson.com/2011/12/22/apache-software-foundation-hits-their-sore-thumb-again/#comment-71824</link>
		<dc:creator>oiaohm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Dec 2011 01:40:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dr Loser wrote, “Nobody voluntarily chooses to use ODF, and I mean nobody, on the grounds of its technical merits.”

Again I refer this twit to National Archives around the world.

They have chosen ODF for long term storage on its technical merits.  Format is properly documented.

Docx has not been properly documented.

Transition form of docx basically requires you to implement 90 of the old doc bit because they can be embed in the new docx files kinda a random.

Libreoffice has got better compatibility with docx by in fact bridging to there doc system.

Basically &quot;I can understand not wanting to work with the original doc standard&quot;  If this is true.  Docx transitional form requires you to basically implement 90 percent of the old doc standard because binary blobs of it can be dropped inside the so called new docx files.  Yes transitional docx that is out there now is a horrid mess.

MS failed to make a nice clean break that is why ooxml uptake is so slow.

Can you now understand why a lot are waiting for MS to get out of transitional  that should be MS office 2012 before implementing compatibility.

Basically there is no proper ooxml stuff released yet other than the case that OpenOffice once used it writer that was producing 100 percent to ooxml spec docx files result was  MS Office 2007 and 2010 crashing due to sections of the standard in them not being implemented yet.

Sorry Docx is not a standard its a joke at this stage.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr Loser wrote, “Nobody voluntarily chooses to use ODF, and I mean nobody, on the grounds of its technical merits.”</p>
<p>Again I refer this twit to National Archives around the world.</p>
<p>They have chosen ODF for long term storage on its technical merits.  Format is properly documented.</p>
<p>Docx has not been properly documented.</p>
<p>Transition form of docx basically requires you to implement 90 of the old doc bit because they can be embed in the new docx files kinda a random.</p>
<p>Libreoffice has got better compatibility with docx by in fact bridging to there doc system.</p>
<p>Basically &#8220;I can understand not wanting to work with the original doc standard&#8221;  If this is true.  Docx transitional form requires you to basically implement 90 percent of the old doc standard because binary blobs of it can be dropped inside the so called new docx files.  Yes transitional docx that is out there now is a horrid mess.</p>
<p>MS failed to make a nice clean break that is why ooxml uptake is so slow.</p>
<p>Can you now understand why a lot are waiting for MS to get out of transitional  that should be MS office 2012 before implementing compatibility.</p>
<p>Basically there is no proper ooxml stuff released yet other than the case that OpenOffice once used it writer that was producing 100 percent to ooxml spec docx files result was  MS Office 2007 and 2010 crashing due to sections of the standard in them not being implemented yet.</p>
<p>Sorry Docx is not a standard its a joke at this stage.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Pogson</title>
		<link>http://mrpogson.com/2011/12/22/apache-software-foundation-hits-their-sore-thumb-again/#comment-71750</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Pogson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Dec 2011 18:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[About the time I found GNU/Linux, it was unusual to have a PC in a classroom. My classroom had no PC at first but I found a bunch of donated PCs and put them to work. They did not have anything more than simple text, Lose &#039;95. StarOffice was available as a free download for GNU/Linux which is what I ended up with. It was &lt;strong&gt;perfect&lt;/strong&gt; for my classroom because there was no budget for anything at any hihger price. It&#039;s technical merits were quite adequate. StarOffice was available for a couple of years before OpenOffice.org became available. Apart from crashing, OpenOffice.org 1.0 was quite satisfactory for education. By 2.0 it was no longer crashing. I did choose OO.o on its technical merits.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>About the time I found GNU/Linux, it was unusual to have a PC in a classroom. My classroom had no PC at first but I found a bunch of donated PCs and put them to work. They did not have anything more than simple text, Lose &#8217;95. StarOffice was available as a free download for GNU/Linux which is what I ended up with. It was <strong>perfect</strong> for my classroom because there was no budget for anything at any hihger price. It&#8217;s technical merits were quite adequate. StarOffice was available for a couple of years before OpenOffice.org became available. Apart from crashing, OpenOffice.org 1.0 was quite satisfactory for education. By 2.0 it was no longer crashing. I did choose OO.o on its technical merits.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr Loser</title>
		<link>http://mrpogson.com/2011/12/22/apache-software-foundation-hits-their-sore-thumb-again/#comment-71738</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr Loser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Dec 2011 17:12:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;... on the grounds of its technical merits,&quot; Robert.

You didn&#039;t choose it on those grounds; you chose it on other grounds.

Actually, I applaud you for that decision (it&#039;s not one I would make myself, but so what?).

But whatever draws people to OOo, it sure ain&#039;t the technical merits.

Do try to represent other people&#039;s arguments accurately, will you?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230; on the grounds of its technical merits,&#8221; Robert.</p>
<p>You didn&#8217;t choose it on those grounds; you chose it on other grounds.</p>
<p>Actually, I applaud you for that decision (it&#8217;s not one I would make myself, but so what?).</p>
<p>But whatever draws people to OOo, it sure ain&#8217;t the technical merits.</p>
<p>Do try to represent other people&#8217;s arguments accurately, will you?</p>
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		<title>By: ray</title>
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		<dc:creator>ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Dec 2011 03:36:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If that doesn&#039;t work for you, there always Libreoffice. Apache probably did this to have a difference to Libreoffice.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If that doesn&#8217;t work for you, there always Libreoffice. Apache probably did this to have a difference to Libreoffice.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Pogson</title>
		<link>http://mrpogson.com/2011/12/22/apache-software-foundation-hits-their-sore-thumb-again/#comment-71057</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Pogson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Dec 2011 21:26:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Huh?

ODF is preferred by anyone who wants independence from M$ and/or a long life for documents.

Dr Loser wrote, &lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;&quot;Nobody voluntarily chooses to use ODF, and I mean nobody, on the grounds of its technical merits.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;

That&#039;s nonsense. I choose to use ODF for any document I produce with LibreOffice. Why would I think of doing otherwise? No one in my home has that other OS running. I can export PDF for anyone on the outside so my whole universe is independent of .docx. There are many millions more like me who have chosen ODF purely on its technical merits. It works. A huge bonus is that M$ has no control over it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Huh?</p>
<p>ODF is preferred by anyone who wants independence from M$ and/or a long life for documents.</p>
<p>Dr Loser wrote, <strong><em>&#8220;Nobody voluntarily chooses to use ODF, and I mean nobody, on the grounds of its technical merits.&#8221;</em></strong></p>
<p>That&#8217;s nonsense. I choose to use ODF for any document I produce with LibreOffice. Why would I think of doing otherwise? No one in my home has that other OS running. I can export PDF for anyone on the outside so my whole universe is independent of .docx. There are many millions more like me who have chosen ODF purely on its technical merits. It works. A huge bonus is that M$ has no control over it.</p>
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