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		<title>By: Zombie Chan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zombie Chan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 May 2011 14:55:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Grow up. Soon.&quot;

The same can be said about you. You do exactly what The Other Dave does. You spread FUD, act like a twelve year old and waste your time arguing with fanboys.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Grow up. Soon.&#8221;</p>
<p>The same can be said about you. You do exactly what The Other Dave does. You spread FUD, act like a twelve year old and waste your time arguing with fanboys.</p>
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		<title>By: oiaohm</title>
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		<dc:creator>oiaohm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 May 2011 03:48:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Other Dave If you are going to troll learn to read.

Your Link http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=9392

What you need to read from it http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=9392#c1775  

android 2.2.2+ and 2.3.2+ versions.  Don&#039;t have the defect.

Cyanogen-mod 7.0.0-RC4 but that had a repo error where the sms software was 2.3.0 and the rest was 2.3.3.  Any android with the sms software 2.2.2+ or 2.3.2+ don&#039;t have the defect.  There have been zero reports of that issue for phones and devices with that.

Basically I did not think I need to point this out.  I would have thought if you could research you would have re read the bug completely to make sure you had not missed something.  Like the fact its fixed.

Rare bugs do effect iOS and Windows Phone 7.

Please don&#039;t call me a HAM when in fact you are.  Because you are screwing up your research completely.

Yes I should have been pulled up for an error. 2.3.0 and 2.3.1 have the fault.  Thinking I have never had a phone/device/prototype board installed with either of those.  I have had a prototype board installed with 2.3.2 and a prototype development platform for Android 3.0 including source.

So when I say Android 3.0 source is in the repos just untagged.  I can confirm it so can every other embed developer with the prototype boards.  Of course you are not an embedded developer so you don&#039;t have the stuff to confirm it.

There is a nice race condition in windows 7 desktop in fact.  Start menu right click on an program icon. On a folder in the menu fine. On a program icon lockup.  This you would kind put under basic testing.  This is not some rare event that requires a combination of items to lead to it.

There is a fault in the bluetooth stack of WP7 that you can remotely crash the device.  WP7 when side loading applications or debuging applications forgot how to use the telephone network correctly in a way the phone has to be restarted but still appears active to the network.  Yes people can be ring and ring you and you not picking up because your phone is not ringing because windows phone 7 is no longer listening telephone network properly.  It still shows signal bars.  Also you cannot call out either.  So you have a phone that looks alive but is basically dead.  Possible can happen just because you had your phone docked to a computer.  This is not a driver issue. It is internal stack.

In the side of things really the android issue is not too bad.  Even with 2.3.0, 2.3.1, 2.2.0 and 2.2.1 android you can install third party sms software that does not have the bug.  The errors in WP7 are core kernel.  Nothing you can really do about that unless you can replace the firmware.  Yes the provide software for sms was shot but the kernel handling for sms was perfect on all the effected androids.

iOS I will give you that is pretty well built.  I suspect this is most because the heads of company at Apple are truly developers who truly do know how to code.  So they know what quality code looks like.  Compared to Microsoft where the heads are mostly accountants and advertising men so products get pushed out the door before being properly tested.

Please don&#039;t put quality software like iOS next to poor quality software that is WP7.  Android at it worst is better on internal quality than current released versions of WP7.  I am hoping the WP 7.5 has a kernel that works.  Also at least with Android I have full access to the defect list.

WP7 I am building a device I report a defect I cannot see if any other embedded developers have run into the same error and if they have a work around or know the cause.  Really handy if you know its X chip on the board.  Then you can just change than next prototype.

I have prototype boards I do embedded. I know what is quality.  WP7 simple sux badly for us doing up the devices.

Yes iOS device designers have full access to the source code and the developers of the OS running on that hardware.  This is what you really need.

Android I have part access to the developers and full access to the source code.

WP7 I have no access to the developers or the source code.  Yes the quality of the final product is directly dependent on how much access the prototype developers have.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Other Dave If you are going to troll learn to read.</p>
<p>Your Link <a href="http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=9392" rel="nofollow">http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=9392</a></p>
<p>What you need to read from it <a href="http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=9392#c1775" rel="nofollow">http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=9392#c1775</a>  </p>
<p>android 2.2.2+ and 2.3.2+ versions.  Don&#8217;t have the defect.</p>
<p>Cyanogen-mod 7.0.0-RC4 but that had a repo error where the sms software was 2.3.0 and the rest was 2.3.3.  Any android with the sms software 2.2.2+ or 2.3.2+ don&#8217;t have the defect.  There have been zero reports of that issue for phones and devices with that.</p>
<p>Basically I did not think I need to point this out.  I would have thought if you could research you would have re read the bug completely to make sure you had not missed something.  Like the fact its fixed.</p>
<p>Rare bugs do effect iOS and Windows Phone 7.</p>
<p>Please don&#8217;t call me a HAM when in fact you are.  Because you are screwing up your research completely.</p>
<p>Yes I should have been pulled up for an error. 2.3.0 and 2.3.1 have the fault.  Thinking I have never had a phone/device/prototype board installed with either of those.  I have had a prototype board installed with 2.3.2 and a prototype development platform for Android 3.0 including source.</p>
<p>So when I say Android 3.0 source is in the repos just untagged.  I can confirm it so can every other embed developer with the prototype boards.  Of course you are not an embedded developer so you don&#8217;t have the stuff to confirm it.</p>
<p>There is a nice race condition in windows 7 desktop in fact.  Start menu right click on an program icon. On a folder in the menu fine. On a program icon lockup.  This you would kind put under basic testing.  This is not some rare event that requires a combination of items to lead to it.</p>
<p>There is a fault in the bluetooth stack of WP7 that you can remotely crash the device.  WP7 when side loading applications or debuging applications forgot how to use the telephone network correctly in a way the phone has to be restarted but still appears active to the network.  Yes people can be ring and ring you and you not picking up because your phone is not ringing because windows phone 7 is no longer listening telephone network properly.  It still shows signal bars.  Also you cannot call out either.  So you have a phone that looks alive but is basically dead.  Possible can happen just because you had your phone docked to a computer.  This is not a driver issue. It is internal stack.</p>
<p>In the side of things really the android issue is not too bad.  Even with 2.3.0, 2.3.1, 2.2.0 and 2.2.1 android you can install third party sms software that does not have the bug.  The errors in WP7 are core kernel.  Nothing you can really do about that unless you can replace the firmware.  Yes the provide software for sms was shot but the kernel handling for sms was perfect on all the effected androids.</p>
<p>iOS I will give you that is pretty well built.  I suspect this is most because the heads of company at Apple are truly developers who truly do know how to code.  So they know what quality code looks like.  Compared to Microsoft where the heads are mostly accountants and advertising men so products get pushed out the door before being properly tested.</p>
<p>Please don&#8217;t put quality software like iOS next to poor quality software that is WP7.  Android at it worst is better on internal quality than current released versions of WP7.  I am hoping the WP 7.5 has a kernel that works.  Also at least with Android I have full access to the defect list.</p>
<p>WP7 I am building a device I report a defect I cannot see if any other embedded developers have run into the same error and if they have a work around or know the cause.  Really handy if you know its X chip on the board.  Then you can just change than next prototype.</p>
<p>I have prototype boards I do embedded. I know what is quality.  WP7 simple sux badly for us doing up the devices.</p>
<p>Yes iOS device designers have full access to the source code and the developers of the OS running on that hardware.  This is what you really need.</p>
<p>Android I have part access to the developers and full access to the source code.</p>
<p>WP7 I have no access to the developers or the source code.  Yes the quality of the final product is directly dependent on how much access the prototype developers have.</p>
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		<title>By: The Other Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Other Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 May 2011 02:13:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;It seems to be rare bug in software that is activated hundreds of thousands of times per day.&lt;/b&gt;

Nothing rare about it. It appears to be &lt;b&gt;very&lt;/b&gt; common. Too bad it&#039;s only found in that failure OS Linux. Windows Phone 7 and iOS seem to be solid.

&lt;b&gt;Intermittent/random/race conditions are some of the most difficult to solve.&lt;/b&gt;

But again, Windows Phone 7 and iOS seem to be solid. Fail Linux fail, it&#039;s what you do best.

So where are the legions of programmers to help fix this? Oh wait, they can&#039;t, it&#039;s &lt;b&gt;closed source&lt;/b&gt;. Oops.

&lt;b&gt;Grow up. Soon.&lt;/b&gt;

This coming from an old man who won&#039;t actually spell Microsoft&#039;s name but instead uses &#039;M$&#039; or how you use terms like &#039;Windows Phoney 7&#039;?

You first.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>It seems to be rare bug in software that is activated hundreds of thousands of times per day.</b></p>
<p>Nothing rare about it. It appears to be <b>very</b> common. Too bad it&#8217;s only found in that failure OS Linux. Windows Phone 7 and iOS seem to be solid.</p>
<p><b>Intermittent/random/race conditions are some of the most difficult to solve.</b></p>
<p>But again, Windows Phone 7 and iOS seem to be solid. Fail Linux fail, it&#8217;s what you do best.</p>
<p>So where are the legions of programmers to help fix this? Oh wait, they can&#8217;t, it&#8217;s <b>closed source</b>. Oops.</p>
<p><b>Grow up. Soon.</b></p>
<p>This coming from an old man who won&#8217;t actually spell Microsoft&#8217;s name but instead uses &#8216;M$&#8217; or how you use terms like &#8216;Windows Phoney 7&#8242;?</p>
<p>You first.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Pogson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Pogson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 May 2011 22:43:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Grow up. Soon.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Grow up. Soon.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Pogson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Pogson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 May 2011 22:42:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It seems to be rare bug in software that is activated hundreds of thousands of times per day. Google says they had trouble reproducing it but managed to fix two similar bugs:

see &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.droidforums.net/forum/droid-news/113230-google-responds-sms-android-bug.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.droidforums.net/forum/droid-news/113230-google-responds-sms-android-bug.html&lt;/a&gt;

Intermittent/random/race conditions are some of the most difficult to solve. They are often the result of programming too late at night and when an integer overflow generates some randomness. I have a similar problem with a particular mouse. The location of the pointer will randomly jump on the screen creating havoc while typing or clicking. It&#039;s a hardware problem most likely as if affect all operating systems using the mouse.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems to be rare bug in software that is activated hundreds of thousands of times per day. Google says they had trouble reproducing it but managed to fix two similar bugs:</p>
<p>see <a href="http://www.droidforums.net/forum/droid-news/113230-google-responds-sms-android-bug.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.droidforums.net/forum/droid-news/113230-google-responds-sms-android-bug.html</a></p>
<p>Intermittent/random/race conditions are some of the most difficult to solve. They are often the result of programming too late at night and when an integer overflow generates some randomness. I have a similar problem with a particular mouse. The location of the pointer will randomly jump on the screen creating havoc while typing or clicking. It&#8217;s a hardware problem most likely as if affect all operating systems using the mouse.</p>
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		<title>By: The Other Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Other Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 May 2011 18:39:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ohio Ham said:

&lt;b&gt;The bug you pulled up is fixed in mainline Android and last release in the 2.x line. Notice all the bug are about Android 2.2. Android 2.3 has it fixed. &lt;/b&gt;

This is &lt;b&gt;false&lt;/b&gt;. It&#039;s &lt;b&gt;not fixed&lt;/b&gt;. Also:

&quot;SMS are intermittently sent to wrong and seemingly random contact&quot;

http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=9392

Still around in Android 2.3. Just wow. I mean you spend say $700 on a smartphone and you can&#039;t even send messages to your friends without the Linux based failure OS screwing that up? That never happens in a real OS like Windows Phone 7 or iOS. In real OSes these types of bugs never make it to the user and are certainly addressed within weeks - not months and years like that failure of an OS (if you can call it that) known as Linux.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ohio Ham said:</p>
<p><b>The bug you pulled up is fixed in mainline Android and last release in the 2.x line. Notice all the bug are about Android 2.2. Android 2.3 has it fixed. </b></p>
<p>This is <b>false</b>. It&#8217;s <b>not fixed</b>. Also:</p>
<p>&#8220;SMS are intermittently sent to wrong and seemingly random contact&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=9392" rel="nofollow">http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=9392</a></p>
<p>Still around in Android 2.3. Just wow. I mean you spend say $700 on a smartphone and you can&#8217;t even send messages to your friends without the Linux based failure OS screwing that up? That never happens in a real OS like Windows Phone 7 or iOS. In real OSes these types of bugs never make it to the user and are certainly addressed within weeks &#8211; not months and years like that failure of an OS (if you can call it that) known as Linux.</p>
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		<title>By: The Other Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Other Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 May 2011 18:33:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ohio Ham said:

&lt;b&gt;The message about that was from the wrong google staff person.&lt;/b&gt;

Ahahah, nice try Ham boy. Android 3.0 is closed source. The services Google is providing is for closed source Android. Whether you want to admit this or not or whether you find this an important feature or not is not in question.

The point is that services by Google will only cater to users of &lt;b&gt;closed source&lt;/b&gt; Android devices that haven&#039;t been jail broken. Open sores users have nothing. Boohoo.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ohio Ham said:</p>
<p><b>The message about that was from the wrong google staff person.</b></p>
<p>Ahahah, nice try Ham boy. Android 3.0 is closed source. The services Google is providing is for closed source Android. Whether you want to admit this or not or whether you find this an important feature or not is not in question.</p>
<p>The point is that services by Google will only cater to users of <b>closed source</b> Android devices that haven&#8217;t been jail broken. Open sores users have nothing. Boohoo.</p>
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		<title>By: Ray</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 May 2011 12:54:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wait, at that point, shouldn&#039;t be charges be pressed?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wait, at that point, shouldn&#8217;t be charges be pressed?</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Pogson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Pogson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 May 2011 11:59:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think the Canadian system is working pretty well. The problem here has been my ex-employer has violated the law with impunity. They are supposed to provide the documentation within a week but delayed 5 months. I will have to wait until tomorrow to check with Employment Insurance. It&#039;s a national holiday today.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the Canadian system is working pretty well. The problem here has been my ex-employer has violated the law with impunity. They are supposed to provide the documentation within a week but delayed 5 months. I will have to wait until tomorrow to check with Employment Insurance. It&#8217;s a national holiday today.</p>
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		<title>By: Contrarian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Contrarian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 May 2011 11:35:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As to your unemployment benefit claim, I sympathize with you, having gone through a similar process in recent years.  It is even worse today in the US where a number of states have reduced benefits from the original 26 weeks to 20.   And they have added a lot of red tape to the process, requiring documentation in regard to availability for work and proof that you are actively seeking a job.  It seems to be an excuse for denying or holding up payments while the applicant&#039;s information is reviewed and they await a telephone reply to a number that is almost never non-busy.

Even then, you are required to take any job that pays the same or more than the benefit, which is basically the minimum wage.  So an IT instructor can be put to work painting fence posts if they have the temerity to file for benefits.  

It used to be that the Canadians seemed to have a kinder, gentler, more compassionate government than the US.  Is that still true?  Hows the Medicare up there?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As to your unemployment benefit claim, I sympathize with you, having gone through a similar process in recent years.  It is even worse today in the US where a number of states have reduced benefits from the original 26 weeks to 20.   And they have added a lot of red tape to the process, requiring documentation in regard to availability for work and proof that you are actively seeking a job.  It seems to be an excuse for denying or holding up payments while the applicant&#8217;s information is reviewed and they await a telephone reply to a number that is almost never non-busy.</p>
<p>Even then, you are required to take any job that pays the same or more than the benefit, which is basically the minimum wage.  So an IT instructor can be put to work painting fence posts if they have the temerity to file for benefits.  </p>
<p>It used to be that the Canadians seemed to have a kinder, gentler, more compassionate government than the US.  Is that still true?  Hows the Medicare up there?</p>
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