Robert Pogson

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Deliberately Unportable Software … by the Numbers

  • Apr 15 / 2011
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Deliberately Unportable Software … by the Numbers

M$ keeps changing their ABIs. That’s why IE 10 will not run on Vista. Vista and “7″ are supposed to have the same interfaces yet IE 10 will not run on Vista but will on “7″. That’s why migrating from XP to “7″ is such a mess. Many applications have to be replaced. GNU/Linux has the same sort of problems but we can usually recompile software and carry on or pick the latest version from the repositories and run it.

I choose GNU/Linux. It works for me and not some corporation trying to manipulate the world.

11 Comments

  1. Robert Pogson

    M$ did not need to change the interface. Vista was similar to “7″ supposedly but stuff that worked with Vista did not always work with “7″. M$ did not need to change the interface from XP. Why? It’s M$’s fault. In the FLOSS world, we just rebuild the drivers and we are done. I can rebuild Linux and all its drivers in less than an hour on an ordinary PC. Why cannot M$ do better for its users and hardware manufacturers?

  2. oldman

    “M$ got the whole world, almost, using XP. It is their issue. ”

    Nope, its HP’s issue. AT the time of the posts you reference (2009) the Printer in question had already been in production for 3 years and was apparently considered by HP as “old technology”. HP was the bad guy here Pog, apparently pushing their users to upgrade from whet HP viewed as old printers.

    @oe

    As far as the upgrade trademill lockstep is concerned, it is a reality of the bu$ine$$ world that once a vendor has your money, you lose their interest. One can rely on vendor support during warranty periods for break/fix as well as OS support for some period. But the most vendors eventually move on to newer “better” versions of their product and eventually stop direct support for older ones.

    Regardless of this, I say to you what I say to Pog: Very few people are going to dump their entire software stack and software expertise just to be able to continue to use a piece of equipment that is out of vendor support. Most will simply replace the obsolete equipment and chalk it up to the cost of doing bu$ine$$

  3. oe

    “They chose not to do that either because the interface they had was too complex to migrate or they wanted the world to buy new hardware to help their friends.”

    Unlikely, given how they have treated hardware OEM’s over the past 15-20 years. More likely to get the users to cough up for the next upgrade treadmill step.

  4. Robert Pogson

    M$ got the whole world, almost, using XP. It is their issue. Most users were content with XP as it was. M$ had the option to fix XP and keep drivers and applications working. They chose not to do that either because the interface they had was too complex to migrate or they wanted the world to buy new hardware to help their friends.

  5. oldman

    Perhaps I’m lucky, but I’ve successfully connected an 8 year old HP scanner (HP 3550c) and a 5 year old Creative Vision M portable player to windows 7 without issue.

    “You can do the same with GNU/Linux and CUPS. No need to migrate to “7″. No advantage. Why pay for less functionality when you can get less functionality for free.”

    As usual you propose throwing the baby out with the bath water. The reality is that the investment in software and effort using current software dwarfs the cost of the printer. and in this case a decision was made by HP itself not to upgrade the driver for their own reasons. This is HP’s issue not microsoft.

  6. Robert Pogson

    There are lots or reliable reports of hardware not working with “7″.

    e.g. HP Color Laserjet 3600

    The Vista driver can be used for printing but will not scan/fax.

    see http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/Document.jsp?&objectID=c02539136

    “The Windows Vista driver can be installed in Windows 7 for products that do not have a Windows 7 specific driver to provide print functionality. Scan and Fax functions can be performed through Windows applications. See “HP Color LaserJet and LaserJet AiO/MFP Products – Use the Scan and Fax Software in Windows 7 on HP.com” for more information.”
    see driver download page

    No more “print to fax”. Users have to print hardcopy and then feed it back in and push the “fax” button.

    You can do the same with GNU/Linux and CUPS. No need to migrate to “7″. No advantage. Why pay for less functionality when you can get less functionality for free.

  7. oldman

    “I know there is hardware that “7″ doesn’t run.”

    Again, How can you make this statement without direct knowledge of windows 7?

    As an aside, I have always found that knowing both sides of a technology debate is part and parcel with being able to authoritatively comment on it. It would seem to me that if you really want people to listen, you might actually consider holding your nose, setting aside your ideological convictions and WORKING with windows 7.

    OR are you afraid that you might actually discover that windows 7 is technically better than a linux desktop?

  8. Robert Pogson

    I don’t but if one of M$’s flagships does, I expect there are other casualties. I know there is hardware that “7″ doesn’t run.

  9. Yonah

    Microsoft can do as they choose in reguards to their own products. I have not had to replace any of my favorite programs than I ran under XP. Impressive, in my view, given the massive amount of Windows software that exists.

    Robert, by our own admission you do not use Windows 7, so how do you know exactly which software needs to be replaced and which doesn’t?

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