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		<title>By: reactosguy</title>
		<link>http://mrpogson.com/2011/02/11/malware-is-winning/#comment-41174</link>
		<dc:creator>reactosguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Feb 2011 01:03:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Operating system security settings are not set in stone. You can easily modify your GNU/Linux distribution to run root. You can also configure Windows to have up-to-date anti-malware software while avoiding banner ads and running on Limited privileges. There isn&#039;t a &quot;one security setting&quot; for every operating system. You have to maintain it.

You also fail to mention that the same people who run Administrator on Windows are likely to run root on GNU/Linux.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Operating system security settings are not set in stone. You can easily modify your GNU/Linux distribution to run root. You can also configure Windows to have up-to-date anti-malware software while avoiding banner ads and running on Limited privileges. There isn&#8217;t a &#8220;one security setting&#8221; for every operating system. You have to maintain it.</p>
<p>You also fail to mention that the same people who run Administrator on Windows are likely to run root on GNU/Linux.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Pogson</title>
		<link>http://mrpogson.com/2011/02/11/malware-is-winning/#comment-40950</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Pogson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Feb 2011 20:36:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There are many reasons why GNU/Linux is a better layer  of defense. Chief among them is that software is modular and malware getting into one place does not mean that it takes over everywhere. There is far more malware for that other OS not only because it is more prevalent but also because it is the easier target. Holes? Multiple APIs established to provide market dominance for M$&#039;s stuff, for instance. Running as administrator results from the need to control everything as a user. GNU/Linux does not need that. The user can just use the PC without overruling security at every turn.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are many reasons why GNU/Linux is a better layer  of defense. Chief among them is that software is modular and malware getting into one place does not mean that it takes over everywhere. There is far more malware for that other OS not only because it is more prevalent but also because it is the easier target. Holes? Multiple APIs established to provide market dominance for M$&#8217;s stuff, for instance. Running as administrator results from the need to control everything as a user. GNU/Linux does not need that. The user can just use the PC without overruling security at every turn.</p>
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		<title>By: reactosguy</title>
		<link>http://mrpogson.com/2011/02/11/malware-is-winning/#comment-40946</link>
		<dc:creator>reactosguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Feb 2011 20:20:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;Common sense is not common. Everywhere I have worked you will find some fraction of users of IT are totally oblivious to the obvious fact that installing random stuff could be bad. These are the users who insist on running as Administrator because “it’s easier that way”.&lt;/b&gt;

This is exactly why common sense as a security technique should be spread.

&lt;b&gt;Common sense and a bit of education and a layered defence are needed. GNU/Linux is a better layer for the OS than that other OS which has priorities created by salesmen and not engineers.&lt;/b&gt;

If by better layer, you mean:

&#160;&#8226; Lack of widespread malware
&#160;&#8226; Lack of anti-malware software

Then yeah, that&#039;s (not even) okay (with me).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Common sense is not common. Everywhere I have worked you will find some fraction of users of IT are totally oblivious to the obvious fact that installing random stuff could be bad. These are the users who insist on running as Administrator because “it’s easier that way”.</b></p>
<p>This is exactly why common sense as a security technique should be spread.</p>
<p><b>Common sense and a bit of education and a layered defence are needed. GNU/Linux is a better layer for the OS than that other OS which has priorities created by salesmen and not engineers.</b></p>
<p>If by better layer, you mean:</p>
<p>&nbsp;&bull; Lack of widespread malware<br />
&nbsp;&bull; Lack of anti-malware software</p>
<p>Then yeah, that&#8217;s (not even) okay (with me).</p>
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		<title>By: oldman</title>
		<link>http://mrpogson.com/2011/02/11/malware-is-winning/#comment-40773</link>
		<dc:creator>oldman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Feb 2011 09:20:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Some 45% of PCs are using that obsolete OS. It is still the “state of the art” for that other OS&#039;

Nice try Pog, but you know exactly what I mean by &quot;state of the art&quot;  Windows XP is a now 2 generations obsolete version of the windows OS.  Windows XP is simply there at this point on a population of computers that has yet to age out and be replaced. We went through the same cycle a decade ago with windows 9x, which is still running on something like 2% of the computers in the world and is &quot;state of the art&quot; for those computers, but it is NOT state of the art.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Some 45% of PCs are using that obsolete OS. It is still the “state of the art” for that other OS&#8217;</p>
<p>Nice try Pog, but you know exactly what I mean by &#8220;state of the art&#8221;  Windows XP is a now 2 generations obsolete version of the windows OS.  Windows XP is simply there at this point on a population of computers that has yet to age out and be replaced. We went through the same cycle a decade ago with windows 9x, which is still running on something like 2% of the computers in the world and is &#8220;state of the art&#8221; for those computers, but it is NOT state of the art.</p>
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		<title>By: oe</title>
		<link>http://mrpogson.com/2011/02/11/malware-is-winning/#comment-40758</link>
		<dc:creator>oe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:56:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mr. Pogson speaks from the Admin, me I speak as a user, the place I worked until recently offerred up WinXP, Win7, Snow Leopard and CentOS 5 for your desk. There was no cost incentive for me, the user, to pick any one over the other. CentOS won out out due to the raw performance of the OS, but also due to a great sets of apps. OO is tightly integrated, and very capable Office suite, and it also worked with the RefWorks reference management site natively. It also supports group-ware edits through the GDocs and ZohoDocs via FOSS plugins available for it so the committee could hack on edits. Gnuermic was very good for data reduction with statistical rigor backed in to a general purpose spreadsheet, unlike MS Excel. There are many others (Octave, G77 with numerical libraries, 2 mainline FEA packages, etc.) but suffice to say apps were a major driver in my selection of CentOS over the other 3 choices.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Pogson speaks from the Admin, me I speak as a user, the place I worked until recently offerred up WinXP, Win7, Snow Leopard and CentOS 5 for your desk. There was no cost incentive for me, the user, to pick any one over the other. CentOS won out out due to the raw performance of the OS, but also due to a great sets of apps. OO is tightly integrated, and very capable Office suite, and it also worked with the RefWorks reference management site natively. It also supports group-ware edits through the GDocs and ZohoDocs via FOSS plugins available for it so the committee could hack on edits. Gnuermic was very good for data reduction with statistical rigor backed in to a general purpose spreadsheet, unlike MS Excel. There are many others (Octave, G77 with numerical libraries, 2 mainline FEA packages, etc.) but suffice to say apps were a major driver in my selection of CentOS over the other 3 choices.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Pogson</title>
		<link>http://mrpogson.com/2011/02/11/malware-is-winning/#comment-40746</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Pogson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Feb 2011 21:26:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Some 45% of PCs are using that obsolete OS. It is still the &quot;state of the art&quot; for that other OS. It was obsolete back in 2001 but that is what people are used to. I don&#039;t know anyone who is just an ordinary user who prefers &quot;7&quot; to XP.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some 45% of PCs are using that obsolete OS. It is still the &#8220;state of the art&#8221; for that other OS. It was obsolete back in 2001 but that is what people are used to. I don&#8217;t know anyone who is just an ordinary user who prefers &#8220;7&#8243; to XP.</p>
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		<title>By: oldman</title>
		<link>http://mrpogson.com/2011/02/11/malware-is-winning/#comment-40738</link>
		<dc:creator>oldman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Feb 2011 18:51:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;State of the art? Do you call crashes and malware and slowing down state of the art? &quot;


Don&#039;t talk to me about obsolete OS running on the junk pile that you worked with.

I would suggest that you shouldn&#039;t presume to pass judgment on what is available commercially currently on windows until you are actually in a situation where you are managing current applications running on windows vista or windows 7 on properly provisioned hardware with properly provisioned network connectivity, 

&quot;APT is much smoother and far more reliable.&quot; 

Irrelevant. You removed their choice and left them with no way to run anything but FOSS on Linux.  THis may worked because you don&#039;t seem to have had have anyone who was a heavy enough computer user to cause you problems, but I guarantee you that were you to go outside of the environment that you work in you might have a very different experience as you attempted to pave over users existing applications, all because it is easier for YOU.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;State of the art? Do you call crashes and malware and slowing down state of the art? &#8221;</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t talk to me about obsolete OS running on the junk pile that you worked with.</p>
<p>I would suggest that you shouldn&#8217;t presume to pass judgment on what is available commercially currently on windows until you are actually in a situation where you are managing current applications running on windows vista or windows 7 on properly provisioned hardware with properly provisioned network connectivity, </p>
<p>&#8220;APT is much smoother and far more reliable.&#8221; </p>
<p>Irrelevant. You removed their choice and left them with no way to run anything but FOSS on Linux.  THis may worked because you don&#8217;t seem to have had have anyone who was a heavy enough computer user to cause you problems, but I guarantee you that were you to go outside of the environment that you work in you might have a very different experience as you attempted to pave over users existing applications, all because it is easier for YOU.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Pogson</title>
		<link>http://mrpogson.com/2011/02/11/malware-is-winning/#comment-40734</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Pogson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Feb 2011 17:14:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I had many sleepless night when &quot;critical&quot; updates was in the pipe, trying to get all the machines to take it. Many of the machines would download but not install updates so we had to take several runs at it whereas the GNU/Linux machines just clicked them in. There was never an update last year that I felt was &quot;critical&quot; for the GNU/Linux systems because there was so little malware in the wild. I have worked with WSUS, manual and automatic updates in that other OS and APT and RPM in GNU/Linux. APT is much smoother and far more reliable. I was once in a school where it took the two MSCEs three tries to get a lab of 24 machines to update.

State of the art? Do you call crashes and malware and slowing down state of the art? My users appreciate that GNU/Linux keeps on ticking. All the bloatware in the world is useless if the PC is lagging.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had many sleepless night when &#8220;critical&#8221; updates was in the pipe, trying to get all the machines to take it. Many of the machines would download but not install updates so we had to take several runs at it whereas the GNU/Linux machines just clicked them in. There was never an update last year that I felt was &#8220;critical&#8221; for the GNU/Linux systems because there was so little malware in the wild. I have worked with WSUS, manual and automatic updates in that other OS and APT and RPM in GNU/Linux. APT is much smoother and far more reliable. I was once in a school where it took the two MSCEs three tries to get a lab of 24 machines to update.</p>
<p>State of the art? Do you call crashes and malware and slowing down state of the art? My users appreciate that GNU/Linux keeps on ticking. All the bloatware in the world is useless if the PC is lagging.</p>
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		<title>By: oldman</title>
		<link>http://mrpogson.com/2011/02/11/malware-is-winning/#comment-40732</link>
		<dc:creator>oldman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Feb 2011 16:39:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;I will never willingly use that other OS for anything not because I cannot but because I don’t want to waste time and money on bloatware.&quot;

Not to be blunt, but if you are in a supporting situation, your opinions on what is &quot;bloatware&quot; are irrelevant. If the knowledge workers who you service have demonstrated certain productivity levels using commercial software on windows based desktops, then that is what you support.

As far as the avalanche of updates is concerned,even on the now obsolete windows XP running on up to date hardware the update process is pretty seamless, and  Vista and Windows 7 are, as far as I have seen and experienced, even smoother.


&quot;Many organizations find the cost of migration recovered in a few months to a year in reduced labour and the return continues indefinitely with lower licensing costs.&quot;

Reduced labor for whom, Pog? - technicians like your self, Probably. But in many cases the people who actually have to get the work done, get to scramble to regain their lost productivity, especially as the commercial software acquires more useful features that the knowledge workers can take advantage of becasuse the FOSS applications that have been stuck with in the name ofcsaving a few bucks don&#039;t keep up with the state of the art.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I will never willingly use that other OS for anything not because I cannot but because I don’t want to waste time and money on bloatware.&#8221;</p>
<p>Not to be blunt, but if you are in a supporting situation, your opinions on what is &#8220;bloatware&#8221; are irrelevant. If the knowledge workers who you service have demonstrated certain productivity levels using commercial software on windows based desktops, then that is what you support.</p>
<p>As far as the avalanche of updates is concerned,even on the now obsolete windows XP running on up to date hardware the update process is pretty seamless, and  Vista and Windows 7 are, as far as I have seen and experienced, even smoother.</p>
<p>&#8220;Many organizations find the cost of migration recovered in a few months to a year in reduced labour and the return continues indefinitely with lower licensing costs.&#8221;</p>
<p>Reduced labor for whom, Pog? &#8211; technicians like your self, Probably. But in many cases the people who actually have to get the work done, get to scramble to regain their lost productivity, especially as the commercial software acquires more useful features that the knowledge workers can take advantage of becasuse the FOSS applications that have been stuck with in the name ofcsaving a few bucks don&#8217;t keep up with the state of the art.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Pogson</title>
		<link>http://mrpogson.com/2011/02/11/malware-is-winning/#comment-40725</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Pogson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Feb 2011 13:43:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[While large organizations may find use of multiple operating systems no problem because they have many bodies in the system, small organizations greatly prefer a single OS for everything. While it is possible to hire staff conversant with MacOS, that other OS and GNU/Linux, it is difficult. It is much easier to hire someone familiar with a single OS. I have managed XP/2003 with no problems years ago but last year managing simple XP desktops was impossible. Malware has reached epidemic proportions. The rate of updates has become an avalanche. We switched to GNU/Linux so that the work of managing the system became much less. Even if staff are unfamiliar with GNU/Linux it is worthwhile switching to GNU/Linux on the desktop because it is solid. I have migrated several organizations of small/medium size and GNU/Linux is a much better fit than that other OS. I will never willingly use that other OS for anything not because I cannot but because I don&#039;t want to waste time and money on bloatware. I am not alone in this. Many organizations find the cost of migration recovered in a few months to a year in reduced labour and the return continues indefinitely with lower licensing costs.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While large organizations may find use of multiple operating systems no problem because they have many bodies in the system, small organizations greatly prefer a single OS for everything. While it is possible to hire staff conversant with MacOS, that other OS and GNU/Linux, it is difficult. It is much easier to hire someone familiar with a single OS. I have managed XP/2003 with no problems years ago but last year managing simple XP desktops was impossible. Malware has reached epidemic proportions. The rate of updates has become an avalanche. We switched to GNU/Linux so that the work of managing the system became much less. Even if staff are unfamiliar with GNU/Linux it is worthwhile switching to GNU/Linux on the desktop because it is solid. I have migrated several organizations of small/medium size and GNU/Linux is a much better fit than that other OS. I will never willingly use that other OS for anything not because I cannot but because I don&#8217;t want to waste time and money on bloatware. I am not alone in this. Many organizations find the cost of migration recovered in a few months to a year in reduced labour and the return continues indefinitely with lower licensing costs.</p>
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